India Just Got More Dangerous

[Sees]

Just getting that out of the way because it seems to be a common implication.

Still not "racism" to point out how messed up some places are.

shahz likes generalizations and straw-men.

 

[MD]

India just became more dangerous than it was before....for gay folk anyway.
Do you disagree?
The US is irrelevant to my claim.

Maybe it will get more dangerous, but you don't know jack about how India works to make such statements. There are parts of India where the law works and parts where it doesn't. There are parts where communities will protect you till death, even if you're gay. There are liberal parts, and conservative parts. It's incredibly diverse as a country. It's a lot like America was a couple of centuries ago.

Anyways my point to you was people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, especially houses made of big shiny glass.

 

[MD]

shahz likes generalizations and straw-men.

Typical crap lol, come to defend your RF posse again. It's missing a few members they should show up soon.

 

[Revoltingest]

Maybe it will get more dangerous, but you don't know jack about how India works to make such statements. There are parts of India where the law works and parts where it doesn't. There are parts where communities will protect you till death, even if you're gay. There are liberal parts, and conservative parts. It's incredibly diverse as a country. It's a lot like America was a couple of centuries ago.

So you might disagree.

Anyways my point to you was people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, especially houses made of big shiny glass.

Instead of addressing the issue, you seek to make it about me, eh?
That just doesn't work.

 

[Revoltingest]

Typical crap lol, come to defend your RF posse again. It's missing a few members they should show up soon.

You presume too much.
I don't believe that Sees & I have conversed before this thread.
But now it seems I'm getting to know you both better.

 

[MD]

So you might disagree.

You obviously missed the point

Instead of addressing the issue, you seek to make it about me, eh?
That just doesn't work.

Again read the title of the thread which was started by you and the following posts

 

[Revoltingest]

Again read the title of the thread which was started by you and the following posts

Not only did I read the title, I wrote it, & even explained it to you.
It's about worsening conditions in India, & not a comparison with anywhere else.
If you want to insist that I meant something other than what I intended, that won't work.
Now, if you disagree with what others have said, you could take that up with them.

 

[Sees]

Typical crap lol, come to defend your RF posse again. It's missing a few members they should show up soon.

You seem to often jump towards generalizations and straw-men in attempt to direct and redirect blame

I don't have a posse

Criticizing a nation or what's going on in a nation isn't racism by any means. It's about politics, morals, etc.

The spirit of "oh yeah, well the U.S. (or the West) did so and so/isn't perfect" also doesn't make for intelligent discussion. Redirection and misdirection only fools the fools.

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

Yup. Sad to say, but that does seem to be the unvarnished truth with crap like this.

Yeah, and what shocks me even more is that bhAratiya government officials spend crores on rupees on stuff like politics or Mars missions and what not, yet don't ever think of using that money to distribute among the 60% or so who make less than $2 a day. It's funny how the average annual income in bhArat at independence was greater than that of China, yet in the modern era it has more people in poverty than all of sub-saharan Africa. I assume it partially has to do with population, but corruption also plays a big part.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yeah, and what shocks me even more is that bhAratiya government officials spend crores on rupees on stuff like politics or Mars missions and what not, yet don't ever think of using that money to distribute among the 60% or so who make less than $2 a day. It's funny how the average annual income in bhArat at independence was greater than that of China, yet in the modern era it has more people in poverty than all of sub-saharan Africa. I assume it partially has to do with population, but corruption also plays a big part.

Very sad. It reminds me of how the US government manages to spend almost a trillion dollars a year on military spending but something like half of US citizens are on government aid and we still don't have universal healthcare.

 

[Aupmanyav]

What Indian Supreme Court has said is very simple - and very correct - that courts cannot make the law - that is the Constitutional position. It has to be the Parliament which can make the law. Therefore, Dehi Court erred in de-criminalizing it, it over-stepped its powers. It had no jurisdiction for such a thing. Supreme Court asked the Central Government about its views if it would like to change the law. Unfortunately, we have an election coming up, and there were many important bills to be considered, so, the Central Government could not apply itself to make a change in the law, though it indicated that it is in favor of de-criminalizing it. The matter has been left to the next Government which will be in power by June 1st.

 

[oldbadger]

What Indian Supreme Court has said is very simple - and very correct - that courts cannot make the law - that is the Constitutional position. It has to be the Parliament which can make the law. Therefore, Dehi Court erred in de-criminalizing it, it over-stepped its powers. It had no jurisdiction for such a thing. Supreme Court asked the Central Government about its views if it would like to change the law. Unfortunately, we have an election coming up, and there were many important bills to be considered, so, the Central Government could not apply itself to make a change in the law, though it indicated that it is in favor of de-criminalizing it. The matter has been left to the next Government which will be in power by June 1st.

excellent post. You obviously understand how the wheels of legislation roll. The USA is so mixed up with court, state and federal legislation that many of its folks get lost over such matters. I am sure that proper legislation will happen in India soon enough.

 

[Alceste]

What Indian Supreme Court has said is very simple - and very correct - that courts cannot make the law - that is the Constitutional position. It has to be the Parliament which can make the law. Therefore, Dehi Court erred in de-criminalizing it, it over-stepped its powers. It had no jurisdiction for such a thing. Supreme Court asked the Central Government about its views if it would like to change the law. Unfortunately, we have an election coming up, and there were many important bills to be considered, so, the Central Government could not apply itself to make a change in the law, though it indicated that it is in favor of de-criminalizing it. The matter has been left to the next Government which will be in power by June 1st.

The court didn't write a new law by decriminalizing homosexuality. They correctly concluded that the colonial era anti-gay law written by a British officer conflicts with India's constitution, which prohibits discrimination. The constitution always trumps lesser laws.

Interestingly, the original British law criminalizing homosexuality can be more accurately interpreted as permitting it because of the wording - only "unnatural" couplings are a crime. Homosexuality is natural. If I were a lawyer in India, that's the angle I would take.

 

[Kerr]

Maybe it will get more dangerous, but you don't know jack about how India works to make such statements. There are parts of India where the law works and parts where it doesn't. There are parts where communities will protect you till death, even if you're gay. There are liberal parts, and conservative parts. It's incredibly diverse as a country. It's a lot like America was a couple of centuries ago.

Anyways my point to you was people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, especially houses made of big shiny glass.

A criminalization of homosexuality is not a good thing, even if it wont be followed. Saying this because LGBT issues lies close to my heart. I would be critical of any nation that passes laws like this.

 

[oldbadger]

Interestingly, the original British law criminalizing homosexuality can be more accurately interpreted as permitting it because of the wording - only "unnatural" couplings are a crime. Homosexuality is natural. If I were a lawyer in India, that's the angle I would take.

Brilliant point .........
You should've been a lawyer. (you could still have done yer gardening!)

 

[Alceste]

Brilliant point .........
You should've been a lawyer. (you could still have done yer gardening!)

I did consider it, but I went to observe a trial in Canada. Controversial issue re. First nations sovereigntists. Their legal defense was rock solid but they were still "made an example of" and thrown in jail due to some extremely dodgy instructions to the jury from a crooked judge. I learned that the Canadian justice system can be very corrupt and political in some significant circumstances and it put me off.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I'm not white and it's not "racist" to realize that some places on this planet are screwed up. America's pretty messed up compared to other Western nations, for example.

OK, don't take this wrong. I'm not calling you racist SF, BUT........ Are you saying you have to be white to be a racist?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

OK, don't take this wrong. I'm not calling you racist SF, BUT........ Are you saying you have to be white to be a racist?

No, certainly not. It just seems to be an implication that many people have. I myself have experienced racism from both white and black people so I know first-hand that non-whites can be just as racist as a racist white person.

 

[Reverend Rick]

OK, now we are getting somewhere.

In light of the recent Arizona proposed legislation, we are in the cesspool as well don't you think?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

OK, now we are getting somewhere.

In light of the recent Arizona proposed legislation, we are in the cesspool as well don't you think?

Yes, certainly.