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Indian Elections, world's largest democracy

Aupmanyav

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Freebies promised by Indian National Congress (Gandhi family party):

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ronki23

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Congratulations to Modi for winning a 3rd term. It may not be a BJP majority but it's an NDA victory.


@Aupmanyav thinks Modi will retire next year. I would have thought he'd complete 3 terms but if it's a coalition then it's possible Modi retires at 75.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Current political map of India:
(Not sure of affiliation of the new Sikkim government, or that of Mizoram and Meghalaya)
New states added to BJP alliance: Andhra Pradesh, Odisha on the Eastern Coast of India.
Though BJP is not the ruling party in Delhi and Himachal Pradesh, it won all parliamentary seats in the two (7 and 4 respectively).

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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Doing fine. Discrimination illegal and punishable.
@Aupmanyav thinks Modi will retire next year. I would have thought he'd complete 3 terms but if it's a coalition then it's possible Modi retires at 75.
What Modi thinks may be different from what Aupmanyav thinks. If there is no health problem, he may want to continue for some time.
I said there is a possibility but no surety.
 
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Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Doing fine. Discrimination illegal and punishable.

What Modi thinks may be different from what Aupmanyav thinks. If there is no health problem, he may want to continue for some time.
I said there is a possibility but no surety.
Ia there still a caste system?
 

sayak83

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Current political map of India:
(Not sure of affiliation of the new Sikkim government, or that of Mizoram and Meghalaya)
New states added to BJP alliance: Andhra Pradesh, Odisha on the Eastern Coast of India.
Though BJP is not the ruling party in Delhi and Himachal Pradesh, it won all parliamentary seats in the two (7 and 4 respectively).

View attachment 92309 Click to enlarge the map
This is the winners map for the elections
NDA - orange
Opposition - Blue
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
This is the winners map for the elections
NDA - orange
Opposition - Blue
That too is OK. Modi is still the Prime Minister of India, and OM Birla will still be the speaker of Lok Sabha, that is what matters.
The Opposition will make more noise in the Parliament, more wastage of public money, less unemployment for opposition leaders, but BJP can weather that.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Modi resigns as Prime Minister. President asks him to continue till the formation of the new government. All partners of the BJP combine select Modi again as the Prime Minister. Numbers exceed majority (292 vs 272). Modi makes his claim to the President on June 7 evening. Inauguration of the new government on June 8. 2024 Election Chapter closed. Those who want to join BJP combine, welcome. ;)
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Yes, unofficially there is; but the chains are breaking.
I'm glad to hear it and will be even more glad to hear it's completely done away with. Officially and unofficially. TRUE STORY TIME! My brother is adopted from Seoul, Korea, where there is still an unofficial caste system. Talk about a terrible situation! His mom was widowed with six kids, and took up with a US military guy to help her make ends meet. She got pregnant with my brother, an Amerasian. Immediately the American GI took off. She had my brother, so now she had SEVEN kids. She met a Korean guy who was a few bars above her in the caste system. He told her "I want to marry you, but you need to give that Amerasian kid up for adoption." By then, my brother was three years old! He remembers his mother dropping him off at the orphanage! She wrote a letter to him that he received when he was 18 and in it she said "I think this is best for everyone, including you." Which is probably true but dang, what a terrible choice to have to make.

So, long story short, I am no fan of caste systems, either official or unofficial.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
There’s still a class system in the U.K. too btw. Until about thirty years ago it was becoming increasingly irrelevant, but since that time progress has gone into reverse.
Yes, but I am talking about a caste system, not a class system. Just to be really clear.
 

sayak83

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And the difference is?
The difference is, in caste system, only birth matters, not wealth. You can be the richest person in the country, but you may still be deprived of access and services reserved for upper caste people, even the poorest upper caste person.
Fortunately that is no longer true in India...mostly.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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How's the caste system doing in India these days?

Is this the only thing you thought of when you read this thread?

What I see is a country that liberated itself from colonial brutality and exploitation less than 100 years ago and is now the world's largest democracy, a growing research and manufacturing hub, and a rapidly growing economic power. It also has more religious, linguistic, and cultural diversity than most countries on the planet.

As far as I know, India has made strides toward improving quality of life in recent years, and just as it has dusted off most of the malignant relics of colonialism, I hope that it will do the same to whatever remains of the caste system's influence on its public life.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
Well for starters, it seems like a class system is based on socio economics and a caste system is based on birth.


Are these two not closely related? Just because social mobility exists, in India and in Europe, doesn't mean the old prejudices don't remain, or don't have any influence.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Is this the only thing you thought of when you read this thread?

What I see is a country that liberated itself from colonial brutality and exploitation less than 100 years ago and is now the world's largest democracy, a growing research and manufacturing hub, and a rapidly growing economic power. It also has more religious, linguistic, and cultural diversity than most countries on the planet.

As far as I know, India has made strides toward improving quality of life in recent years, and just as it has dusted off most of the malignant relics of colonialism, I hope that it will do the same to whatever remains of the caste system's influence on its public life.
No, it's not the only thing but it's a thing. I explained why by the way.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Regarding the elections, some of Modi's policies strike me as markedly harmful and underpinned by extremism, so it is unfortunate to see that he is still the prime minister. However, it is good to see that the BJP now at least has to deal with more opposition in the government.
 
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