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Infinite Soul Vs Finite Self
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
So much for having no-self.
Again with the childish point scoring, which seems to be your only response when people challenge your grandiose pronouncements. But then of course I haven't claimed anything, and I don't pretend to be an awakened saint-prophet like yourself.
Independently of the "Sauce", I mean "Source"?
This keeps happening on my phone all the time. I think it's time I simply accept the cosmic soupiness.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I don't deny that people have "experiences" ( I've had some myself ), what I am questioning is the bizarre interpretations which are sometimes placed on them. And there seems to be a woeful ignorance of the powerful psychological mechanisms at play in religious belief, like confirmation bias, wishful thinking and projection.
In any case we have to make our own decisions about who is worth listening to, and who isn't. I've been around some truly wise people over the years, so I have an idea what that looks like.
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Well, that only goes to prove my point. Your reaction to me challenging your grandiose utterances has included calling me a troll, childish point scoring and thinly-disguised indignation.
Like all self-proclaimed prophets, you simply cannot cope with having your pronouncements questioned.
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Oh my word; why do you think i post on a religious debate forum in the debate section, before posting it all over the web? Because A i want to question it or B i want to talk to you?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Oh my word; why do you think i post on a religious debate forum in the debate section, before posting it all over the web? Because A i want to question it or B i want to talk to you?
I think you are quite attached to your beliefs, and have no intention of changing them or giving them up. I think you are also quite attached to your preacher/prophet persona, and that it has become something of an ego trip because it makes you feel important.
Others will form their own view, but I don't think these threads are doing anything for your credibility.
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McBell
Unbound
[GALLERY=media, 7047]Irony Meter by Mestemia posted Sep 28, 2015 at 1:00 PM[/GALLERY]
McBell
Unbound
[GALLERY=media, 7047]Irony Meter by Mestemia posted Sep 28, 2015 at 1:00 PM[/GALLERY]
I've been posting my own interpretation of things; not dictating what others believe...Might want to check your meter, think it is broken.
Tho we can notice the ones who are full of hubris, are the ones thinking I'm dictating what their religion believes, and will continually make post asserting what others all believe.
So yes in that case i like your irony meter, as clearly the irony is missed on some.
ratikala
Istha gosthi
Namaskaram Mr O'Shez
is this not just your perception ??? ....
veiw is not the best place to be , ...untill one has reached a state of Buddhi , an open and un attatched mind is perhaps better , ....
in the original post Wizanda says , ....
here in this conversation one could easily exchange ''accusative'' for atttched thus agressive , .....as the physical mind the one which relates to the body and canot see past the body and the body mind defends it self at every turn rejecting anything it is told for fear of actualy loosing its sence of self , thus we can acidenaly cling to opinion , ......this sadly prohibits learning , ......
sadly it is only too true , yes the body mind is of corse lower and smaller as it relates to the single bodily form and is aware only of that small portion of space and time that the body inhabits , ....
the infinate ego less mind if it can be realised , relates to the universal mind therefore is greater than the small mind which clings to bodily experience only , the ultimate goal of meditation is to trancend this bodily platform and experience what lay beyond this small fixed veiw that clings to its sence of self , .....
as for your saying , ....
provoking petty argument and posting pictures of ketchup hardly does much for your credability it tends to suggest that you are just here for a laugh ? .......it is a shame as too many potentialy interesting threads here at the moment are being destroyed in this way .
is this not just your perception ??? ....
veiw is not the best place to be , ...untill one has reached a state of Buddhi , an open and un attatched mind is perhaps better , ....
in the original post Wizanda says , ....
here in this conversation one could easily exchange ''accusative'' for atttched thus agressive , .....as the physical mind the one which relates to the body and canot see past the body and the body mind defends it self at every turn rejecting anything it is told for fear of actualy loosing its sence of self , thus we can acidenaly cling to opinion , ......this sadly prohibits learning , ......
sadly it is only too true , yes the body mind is of corse lower and smaller as it relates to the single bodily form and is aware only of that small portion of space and time that the body inhabits , ....
the infinate ego less mind if it can be realised , relates to the universal mind therefore is greater than the small mind which clings to bodily experience only , the ultimate goal of meditation is to trancend this bodily platform and experience what lay beyond this small fixed veiw that clings to its sence of self , .....
as for your saying , ....
provoking petty argument and posting pictures of ketchup hardly does much for your credability it tends to suggest that you are just here for a laugh ? .......it is a shame as too many potentialy interesting threads here at the moment are being destroyed in this way .
ratikala
Istha gosthi
Namaskaram , ...
''proof of pudding'' , ..so they say is in the eating , ....prehaps rather than refuting you could give what is said some fair thought , ....what may sound to you like unfounded claims and random ideas may prove to have some concurrent thread running through them only analitical examination will prove either way , ....but accusing another of pinching ideas just points to a lack of understanding of the nature of phylosopical enquirie , .....many people ask the same question and invariably have come to the same conclusion althoughdue to their different cultural backgrouds the answers have come out via the utilisation of different methods and by way of different expression .
arn't you are just wishing that Wisanda ji has a frajile ego , so that your even larger ego can crush it ?
thank you ji at least now you have made me laugh , .....thank goodness they do not all sound or behave the same as I have sadly met or been in the presence of one who ran of with all the temples money and someone elses wife , ....
...thus proving that apperances can be deceptive , .....
''proof of pudding'' , ..so they say is in the eating , ....prehaps rather than refuting you could give what is said some fair thought , ....what may sound to you like unfounded claims and random ideas may prove to have some concurrent thread running through them only analitical examination will prove either way , ....but accusing another of pinching ideas just points to a lack of understanding of the nature of phylosopical enquirie , .....many people ask the same question and invariably have come to the same conclusion althoughdue to their different cultural backgrouds the answers have come out via the utilisation of different methods and by way of different expression .
arn't you are just wishing that Wisanda ji has a frajile ego , so that your even larger ego can crush it ?
thank you ji at least now you have made me laugh , .....thank goodness they do not all sound or behave the same as I have sadly met or been in the presence of one who ran of with all the temples money and someone elses wife , ....
...thus proving that apperances can be deceptive , .....
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Don't let the finite separationism of some, allow you to become less than the infinite Øneness that we are.....
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McBell
Unbound
Now all we have left to do is try and figure out if you missed it on purpose.I've been posting my own interpretation of things; not dictating what others believe...Might want to check your meter, think it is broken.
Tho we can notice the ones who are full of hubris, are the ones thinking I'm dictating what their religion believes, and will continually make post asserting what others all believe.
So yes in that case i like your irony meter, as clearly the irony is missed on some.
Missed what?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
It is my considered view, based on observation of the OP's comments and behaviour here over a period of time, and I think it is accurate.
Like I said, others will form their own view.
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Jonathan Ainsley Bain
Logical Positivist
On just meditating, realized that there are two independent parts of us....
- The Infinite soul, which stores our experience, and learns wisdom from our life times...
It can be in a state of pure consciousness, especially on recognizing the death of the physical, as it can be fully one with God/Brahman/Universal Mind (CPU).
It is connected by our heart, and thus regulates the whole energy within the body.
- The finite self, is the physical mind, it projects our ego as a defense mechanism.
Thus in an effort to defend its self, it can often become overly accusative (satan).
The level of consciousness is lower in the finite psyche compared to the infinite soul, and sometimes it is called the monkey mind, as it also controls our body, and raw animal instincts.
In Ho'oponoponowe we make friends with the inner child, which is the infinite soul, as it is eternally youthful, and thus in a state of sat chit ananda.
In someways the soul is connected via the heart; yet it is possibly in a place outside of time.
Reason for questioning if everyone's soul is outside of time, depends on our connecting with Oneness in a place of pure infinite consciousness....
In other words to recognize infinity within you, and accept the consequences of that.
I think the Irishman makes a valid point.
A Creator that made each soul lacking individuality (personal ego) would be a corporate deity in a grey suit. (Satan)
Of course, egotistical, and ego are not the same concept.