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Infinite time and space.

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worsewicked

New Member
Lets all use our common sense here, it has not been disproven that there is infinite time and space, and it has been proven that evolution is real. It has not been disproven that there is a "God" or anything similar, however what has been proven to say that there is a "God" of sorts?

It is logically correct to say that evolution is more likely. It is also logically correct to look at infinite time and space, and think along the lines of the theory about monkeys in a room with typewriters.

In the nature of infinity, it is only sensible to say that infinite time and space will result in an infinite amount of things happening, and when an infinite amount of things happen, one of those things will be sentience and humans, because there is an infinite amount of things...

... I leave you with that, and if there is anyone who can tell me why I am wrong (if I am wrong), I'd be happy to hear all about it.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
it has not been disproven that there is infinite time and space,
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you sure about that.

space and time is only limited to our universe, it is not infinite.

since science doesnt prove anything, do you have a valid point to express??



I do understand your view and of course it leaves possibilities but it is not wothout errors

space and time is not infinite.

monkeys may not ever type legible, monkeys may not evolve depending on your hypothetical enviroment.


what has been proven to say that there is a "God" of sorts?
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what do you mean???
 
PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
The volume of space which contains events that can affect us is finitely large, approximately 93 billion lightyears across.

Space outside this volume is irrelevant.
 
PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
Is. It is currently 93 billion ly across, and is expanding at slightly faster than the speed of light.
 
PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
More like 93.000000000000000000341... (i.e. 93 and a few billion billionths)

Considering I don't think we have the age of the universe down to the second, it's 93Gly to within the margin of error! :p
 
crystalonyx

crystalonyx

Well-Known Member
Gravitational effects are the only thing that can have effects outside the observable universe, and in some theories between universes.
 
idea

idea

Question Everything
worsewicked said:
Lets all use our common sense here, it has not been disproven that there is infinite time and space, and it has been proven that evolution is real. It has not been disproven that there is a "God" or anything similar, however what has been proven to say that there is a "God" of sorts?

It is logically correct to say that evolution is more likely. It is also logically correct to look at infinite time and space, and think along the lines of the theory about monkeys in a room with typewriters.

In the nature of infinity, it is only sensible to say that infinite time and space will result in an infinite amount of things happening, and when an infinite amount of things happen, one of those things will be sentience and humans, because there is an infinite amount of things...

... I leave you with that, and if there is anyone who can tell me why I am wrong (if I am wrong), I'd be happy to hear all about it.
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with infinite time and space, everything exists - including God.

(PS - Mormons do not believe that God ex-Nihlo out of nothing created everything. We define the word "create" differently - that create = transform/organize/refine - say that God is transforming what eternally exists, that He is the most intelligent form of sentience that there is, and is trying to show the rest of us how to progress to His level.)
 
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Sgloom

Active Member
i think its reasonable to think that out of hundreds of billions of galaxies in our known universe, some of them are bound to have the perfect conditions for life to come together and evolve. and with anywhere from hundreds of millions to hundreds of billions of possible habital planets just in our galaxy alone. Thats a crap load (i cant even think of numbers that high) of possible habital planets in the known universe. Earth just happened to be one of those planets with perfect conditions where life came together and evolved. thats what i think atleast.
 
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InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
Personally I disagree with the finite space model as I feel that there is nothing to support the premise (yes I am familiar with the concepts you raised in another thread - i do not hold them as being necessarily true) i believe in an infinite amount of space and energy/matter, as for time... well there is nothing to suggest the 'shape' (for lack of a better term) of time, whether or not it exists as anything other than the now, whether it is a single continuum or branches in parallel or whatnot.

The problem is however, that the finite/infinite nature of time and space in our universe have little relevance for the (non)existence of an entity which may even be outside of our universe and that the concepts of time and space may not apply in its existence. Is evolution more likely? Yes I would agree - however probabilities (rather than possibilities) are not facts.

That said, I am not sure exactly what the point of this thread is x.x
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
An infinite number of monkeys, in an infinite area of space, in an infinite amount of time will still not be able to create a square circle. Even if they had an infinite number of kangaroos to help them.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Personally I disagree with the finite space model as I feel that there is nothing to support the premise
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just a mountain of evidence of which mathmatically space and time were created together.
 
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InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
Lies!

You just have to redefine the words.... or make the square/circle flexible enough to bend it into the other's shape... like creating a square then stretching it into a circle.


No, there is evidence to suggest that time and the positions in which matter and energy were/are distributed (as opposed to space itself) were created a long 'time' ago. We take 'space' to be the boundaries of that area where we have detected the position of matter and energy - that does not mean that space does not exist outside of that area - just that we have not detected STUFF outside that.
 
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4consideration

4consideration

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Premium Member
worsewicked said:
Lets all use our common sense here, it has not been disproven that there is infinite time and space, and it has been proven that evolution is real. It has not been disproven that there is a "God" or anything similar, however what has been proven to say that there is a "God" of sorts?

It is logically correct to say that evolution is more likely. It is also logically correct to look at infinite time and space, and think along the lines of the theory about monkeys in a room with typewriters.

In the nature of infinity, it is only sensible to say that infinite time and space will result in an infinite amount of things happening, and when an infinite amount of things happen, one of those things will be sentience and humans, because there is an infinite amount of things...

... I leave you with that, and if there is anyone who can tell me why I am wrong (if I am wrong), I'd be happy to hear all about it.
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I find the subject of infinity to be fascinating, and I am glad that you posted this thread. I can't say for sure whether or not you are right or wrong in your assessment of infinity in terms of quantity, since my understanding of infinity seems to be different from yours.

Infinity looks quite differently if we look at the subject qualitatively, rather than quantitatively.

Rather than considering infinity to be extending further than can be imagined from a fixed point, as would be the case with numbers, so that it exists somewhere else out there in some unknown region -- I think of it as being a field of infinite potential, without boundaries. Time and space would not have the ability to place any limits upon it.

If there are no boundaries to an infinite field and we then try to look at that field by first establishing boundaries we may have unnecessarily limited our ability to come to any understanding of it.
 
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swamplizard

Human
Greetings all,

From the swamp:
Without eternity, there is no now.
Without infinity, there is no here.
A square circle exists; a spherical cube exists; monkeys exist.
The space within what we call the "universe" is perception and thus conceptual.
God does not require definition.
God is.

These are the words from the swamp,
Yes, they are,
Yep !!!

best,
swampy
 
Photonic

Photonic

Ad astra!
worsewicked said:
Lets all use our common sense here, it has not been disproven that there is infinite time and space, and it has been proven that evolution is real. It has not been disproven that there is a "God" or anything similar, however what has been proven to say that there is a "God" of sorts?

It is logically correct to say that evolution is more likely. It is also logically correct to look at infinite time and space, and think along the lines of the theory about monkeys in a room with typewriters.

In the nature of infinity, it is only sensible to say that infinite time and space will result in an infinite amount of things happening, and when an infinite amount of things happen, one of those things will be sentience and humans, because there is an infinite amount of things...

... I leave you with that, and if there is anyone who can tell me why I am wrong (if I am wrong), I'd be happy to hear all about it.
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Well it's more like our perception of space and time is limited to that very same possibly finite space and time. We need a frame of reference to determine infinity.
 
4consideration

4consideration

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Premium Member
PolyHedral said:
There are an infinite number of integers, but none of them are the squareroot of 2. ;)
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True and True.

(I do not speak the language of mathemathics well, and can trip up in the translation of concepts into that form -- but I'll give it a try. I do better with metaphors.)

So... even a science as exact and rational as mathematics wouldn't be complete without a little of the irrational thrown in for fun.

I'd like to reply to this one again, after I have the opportunity to give it some thought.
 
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