Inhibitions

[Shuddhasattva]

Hi.

Some of us have access to certain practices, from a variety of traditions, which can replicably generate mystical experiences akin to those experienced with hallucinogenic drugs.

Do those of you who practice in this way feel trepidation, or even avoidance, of entering this state, of doing the practice, due to the enormity of the effect and how it completely overwhelms and effaces the narrowed mind?

With drugs for example, such as DMT, there seems to be with most (reverential, serious) users a profound respect intermingled with both desire and fear - desire for the experience, fear of what it will do the ego.

No matter how many times one is immersed into that state, it seems always a daunting door to enter, for the habitual mind absolutely cannot cope with what it finds.

How can we best move past this so that eventually, our mystical experience saturates our lives without reservation?

 

[SageTree]

A sponge doesn't become saturated all at once, but slowly.

Perhaps as we create 'holes' in our Ego, our life, our sponge will have more space to be filled with the mind of these experiences.

Not sure if this is what you're looking for or not?

 

[no-body]

"When you get the message hang up the phone" This goes for drugs or any practices that you rely on to enter a mystical state. After you open the doors of perception one only need to walk through the door once, not over and over.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

"When you get the message hang up the phone" This goes for drugs or any practices that you rely on to enter a mystical state. After you open the doors of perception one only need to walk through the door once, not over and over.

Please explain this more, I am unable to connect it to my experience.

 

[no-body]

Please explain this more, I am unable to connect it to my experience.

Relying on anything outside of yourself to induce a mystical state is counter productive to mysticism. I am not saying you cannot continue said practices (such as meditation, praying, chanting, etc) for other reasons as they have separate proven benefits. But as a mystic you should not cling to things as it stagnates the mind.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

Relying on anything outside of yourself to induce a mystical state is counter productive to mysticism. I am not saying you cannot continue said practices (such as meditation, praying, chanting, etc) for other reasons as they have separate proven benefits. But as a mystic you should not cling to things as it stagnates the mind.

If external means are to be avoided, even construing external to mean mental processes outside of the aprocessual awareness that admits no object, then there is still the issue of how one goes from processual consciousness altogether, to the aprocessual state.

The practices represent a progression by which one is drawn from gross processual to subtle processual, until eventually the gap can be closed - not by attainment, but by non-attainment, final catastrophic failure of the ego by its own design.

That is my understanding at any rate, and as it is put here into words, it is certainly a corpse.

Let me give you an example:

A meditation consisting of imagining the body as a microcosm of the universe. Due to shape of one's mind, one attends the genital center. As a self-authenticating key, one grants oneself access to the pure realms inhabited by infinite unions of perfect beings, each a universe, an infinitude of universes, unto themselves yet totally beyond the manifestational tendencies universes are composed of, though openly expressed in all seemingly limited manifestation.

They are indeed the aprocessual.

They allow us to be one with them, to experience perfect consciousness.

Such practices evoke high states of consciousness bordering on the unthinkable. But, if for no other reason then one has to sleep, they come to an end. One reverts back to mundane consciousness; changed, no doubt, by the impression it has made upon you, but no longer the living memory of experience.

Occasionally the previous state, or a shadow of it, can be regained through focusing the memory on the experience, feeble as it is when attempting to record things beyond its ken - but that isn't the same as having passed through a door one no longer.

This is my understanding, admittedly limited. I 'get' on an intellectual and even intuitive level that all practices, and all paths, are ultimately dead ends without.

But what mysticism will there be at all without practice until the moon stages of sadhana are eclipsed by realization?