Insults online still do damage!

[Spiderman]

I wouldn't say I spread hate, but I was at another forum, and a Jehovah's witness lady (who mailed me a 20$ and Jehovah's witness Bible, I shall keep as a relic from a deceased Kami) would come at me with her Scriptures about how I can't pray to the dead.

I was under the influence, and blew up at her, called her the "stupidest person at the forum, idiot, bigot", and various other insults.

It was a very loose website where such posts are tolerated , they just get moved to a "Piranha pit" Subforum.

I only post there and RF. Rarely do I post there.

Well, she said, "I don't put up with people calling me idiot" and put me on ignore!

I didn't know she had cancer, and that I would go to a facility and get released to discover a memorial thread to her. She died!

I don't get to say goodbye, I don't get to make amends, I don't get to say sorry, (with the exception of contacting her spirit, and with faith, prayers, and hope God will pass my message a long to her)!

Bottom line is, people die, and words have power! I didn't know she was very Ill physically!

I also didn't know until it was too late how much such words can hurt!

I have thick skin. Even I don't like to be called idiot, but can see why , when it happens.

But she spoke about my insult of "stupidest person at the forum" months after I said it , and she had me on ignore.

To make the situation uglier, she was a benefactor. She did a deed of charity for me, bought me a brand new leather case illustrated Bible and 20$.

But under the influence, in a fit of anger, I said some very hurtful things to a dying person.

It's one of the reasons I have started threads lately about a guilty conscience!

When I get home, I shall in her honor, read from the Bible she sent me, whether I like the book or not, and keep it as a relic from a soul in heaven.

But we can die tomorrow. Tomorrow is never promised. If tomorrow is NOT your last day, it will be...very shortly!

So many generations have passed since the pyramids were built, so many generations before that...all the things we bicker and fight about....will it matter 100 years from now?

Anyway, her name is Don! Please pray for her! Thank you!

I'm sorry Don! May you have the first degrees of beauty, power, glory, peace, bliss, perfection, euphoria , and dreams come true, with your God! All Angels and Saints , souls in Heaven, bless her!

 

[Nakosis]

I usually try to control my anger because I general regret the results when I don't.
Learned through letting my angers control me as a youth.

So maybe also thank her for providing a lesson.

 

[Spiderman]

I usually try to control my anger because I general regret the results when I don't.
Learned through letting my angers control me as a youth.

So maybe also thank her for providing a lesson.

Absolutely right!

I can't thank the people I hurt enough for changing me for the better , at their expense.

If I could change without hurting people, that would be great!

But RF especially has helped me, so I don't make certain mistakes in real life!

 

[idea]

Honey gathers more bees than lemon juice - however - I do feel it is important to stand against racist / sexist / homophobic harmful rhetoric - to warn people of harmful abusive organizations - and call it for what it is. Evil prevails when everyone is too polite to say anything.

Anyway, her name is Don! Please pray for her! Thank you!

Prayers she is in a better place, repenting of any harmful beliefs she used to have, and sending love to you from beyond.

 

[Spiderman]

Honey gathers more bees than lemon juice - however - I do feel it is important to stand against racist / sexist / homophobic harmful rhetoric - to warn people of harmful abusive organizations - and call it for what it is. Evil prevails when everyone is too polite to say anything.



Prayers she is in a better place, repenting of any harmful beliefs she used to have, and sending love to you from beyond.

Im not "too polite" to not speak up against the errors you mentioned! Quite the opposite!

But calling a dying woman "Idiot, stupidest person at the forum" is not okay under probably any circumstances!

If she is stupidest person there, or an idiot, she probably gets little respect, is easily manipulated, unloved, bullied, made fun of, low self esteem.

If she is a bigot, those can be very tortured, scared, joyless people who were raised that way, unloved, abused, brainwashed etc. Bigots have sometimes been traumatized by the group they discriminate against.

It reminded me of a very bigoted lady I knew, who lashed out at me a lot at Saint Luke's mission of mercy, Buffalo NY. She lashed out men in general it seemed, and constantly ranted about how men are responsible for most wars, rapes, and murders, by far! But she would do it with hatred and beads of sweat! Then she shared with me she was a victim of rape and abortion. I could only pity her and never get angry at her.

I've known racist people of different ethnicities, who repeatedly had traumatic disturbing experiences with some one from the ethnicity they don't like.

The same is true with Religious bigots. That doesn't excuse the bigotry as being less ugly however!

Regarding the Op, point out the errors of the institution and her bigotry yes. Do so in charity, and don't resort to immature vicious name calling.

(In my defense. I didn't know she was dying of cancer).

 

[Eyes to See]

I'm sure she forgave you. She may not have wanted to deal with you.

Jesus when he was on earth he didn't sit around trying to convince people of the truth. He gave it to them. If they accepted it great. If they didn't he moved on. That doesn't mean God gives up on someone. The fact that he has been sending his witnesses for decades to some repeatedly offering them the truth shows God is very patient and doesn't give up easily on a person. Even after a person repents and converts they can stumble and sin again, and God is still patient with the person. And only God can read the heart.

Jesus said the seed of kingdom truth is like leaven (or yeast). It is planted in a heart and no one can really see it growing:

"He told them another illustration: “The Kingdom of the heavens is like leaven that a woman took and mixed with three large measures of flour until the whole mass was fermented.”-Matthew 13:33.

Who makes the kingdom seed grow in a person's heart? It is Jehovah God. Jesus said that no one could come to him unless the Father draws that person:

"No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day."-John 6:44.

Here, inadvertently Jesus is also teaching you the truth about death. He said that those who are drawn to him by his Father will be resurrected on the "last day." This is the thousand year rule of Christ over the earth.

That Christian witness no doubt will be resurrected along with all the other faithful ones in God's memory under Jesus' kingdom rule. And perhaps you will be there to greet her.

Going back to Jesus. Just because he performed many signs and great wonders in front of the people, that also didn't get people to convert necessarily. He even said that many people followed after him only for the material gain they could get from it. He often fed them after teaching them. He gave them spiritual food, and physical food. Many were just in it for what they could get out of him and not really interested in kingdom truths:

Jesus said of those who were commissioned to preach and teach in his name:

“Whoever listens to you listens to me. And whoever disregards you disregards me also. Moreover, whoever disregards me disregards also Him who sent me.”-Luke 10:16.

When a person rejects the kingdom message from a kingdom proclaimer they really aren't rejecting the person. They are just a spokesperson. In truth they reject Jesus Christ, and thusly he who sent Jesus, Jehovah God.

If a household or a city were to reject the kingdom proclamation the kingdom proclaimers were told to wipe the dust off their feet at that household or that city.

 

[Spiderman]

I'm sure she forgave you. She may not have wanted to deal with you.

Jesus when he was on earth he didn't sit around trying to convince people of the truth. He gave it to them. If they accepted it great. If they didn't he moved on. That doesn't mean God gives up on someone. The fact that he has been sending his witnesses for decades to some repeatedly offering them the truth shows God is very patient and doesn't give up easily on a person. Even after a person repents and converts they can stumble and sin again, and God is still patient with the person. And only God can read the heart.

Jesus said the seed of kingdom truth is like leaven (or yeast). It is planted in a heart and no one can really see it growing:

"He told them another illustration: “The Kingdom of the heavens is like leaven that a woman took and mixed with three large measures of flour until the whole mass was fermented.”-Matthew 13:33.

Who makes the kingdom seed grow in a person's heart? It is Jehovah God. Jesus said that no one could come to him unless the Father draws that person:

"No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day."-John 6:44.

Here, inadvertently Jesus is also teaching you the truth about death. He said that those who are drawn to him by his Father will be resurrected on the "last day." This is the thousand year rule of Christ over the earth.

That Christian witness no doubt will be resurrected along with all the other faithful ones in God's memory under Jesus' kingdom rule. And perhaps you will be there to greet her.

Going back to Jesus. Just because he performed many signs and great wonders in front of the people, that also didn't get people to convert necessarily. He even said that many people followed after him only for the material gain they could get from it. He often fed them after teaching them. He gave them spiritual food, and physical food. Many were just in it for what they could get out of him and not really interested in kingdom truths:

Jesus said of those who were commissioned to preach and teach in his name:

“Whoever listens to you listens to me. And whoever disregards you disregards me also. Moreover, whoever disregards me disregards also Him who sent me.”-Luke 10:16.

When a person rejects the kingdom message from a kingdom proclaimer they really aren't rejecting the person. They are just a spokesperson. In truth they reject Jesus Christ, and thusly he who sent Jesus, Jehovah God.

If a household or a city were to reject the kingdom proclamation the kingdom proclaimers were told to wipe the dust off their feet at that household or that city.

Jesus was seen with Moses and Elijah on Mount Tabor, why would Jesus tell a story of the rich man in Hades conversing with Abraham (if the dead don't communicate)?

Samuel appeared to Saul. The book of Revelation speaks of the woman clothed with the Sun, crowned with stars, standing on the Moon. Martyrs in Revelation are seen interceding for earth.

Scripture says the Gospel was preached to the dead!

The Bible does Not say a practice must be supported by scripture to be true!

Also the Bible doesn't say the Bible is the final authority on anything!

Early Christians prayed to martyrs and Saints. Every Christian Church on the face of the earth prayed to the dead for over 1500 years.

Your belief that they got it all wrong is thoroughly depressing and nauseating, because it means God is a lousy Shepherd who let all Christians go astray for over 1500 years.

You're making me sick and making God look terrible teaching your depressing man-made Dogmas!

Plus , Solascriptura is Unbiblical and extreme bigotry that has divided, weakened, and confused Christendom, splintering them into thousands of denominations!

I see you are obviously NOT FOLLOWING THE HOLY SPIRIT, because your condemnation of the communion of the Saints, and your condemnation of the Church and Christian tradition, is clearly unbiblical unchristian teaching!

 

[Eyes to See]

Jesus was seen with Moses and Elijah on Mount Tabor, why would Jesus tell a story of the rich man in Hades conversing with Abraham (if the dead don't communicate)?

Samuel appeared to Saul. The book of Revelation speaks of the woman clothed with the Sun, crowned with stars, standing on the Moon. Martyrs in Revelation are seen interceding for earth.

Scripture says the Gospel was preached to the dead!

The Bible does Not say a practice must be supported by scripture to be true!

Also the Bible doesn't say the Bible is the final authority on anything!

Early Christians prayed to martyrs and Saints. Every Christian Church on the face of the earth prayed to the dead for over 1500 years.

Your belief that they got it all wrong is thoroughly depressing and nauseating, because it means God is a lousy Shepherd who let all Christians go astray for over 1500 years.

You're making me sick and making God look terrible teaching your depressing man-made Dogmas!

Plus , Solascriptura is Unbiblical and extreme bigotry that has divided, weakened, and confused Christendom, splintering them into thousands of denominations!

I see you are obviously NOT FOLLOWING THE HOLY SPIRIT, because your condemnation of the communion of the Saints, and your condemnation of the Church and Christian tradition, is clearly unbiblical unchristian teaching!

The transfiguration was a vision.

The spirit that appeared to Saul by means of the spirit medium was a wicked spirit. Not the dead Samuel. We know this to be the case for several reasons. Firstly and foremost the Bible teaches that when a person dies he ceases to exist and is sleeping awaiting for Christ to resurrect them from the dead during the "last day." God forbid spirit mediums. And he also told Samuel to never talk to Saul again. Also all of Samuel's prophecies through Jehovah God came true, he was a true prophet. God does not lie. Why would Samuel disobey God and appear to Saul? The very reason Saul sought out a spirit medium is because Jehovah God would not answer him. Also the prophecy the wicked demon gave Saul did not come true. He told Saul that Saul and his entire household would die. Only Saul and his son Jonathon died in battle the next day. Members of his household survived and even ate at the table of king David afterwards.

You can believe what the Bible says, when it says the dead cease to live, and they are sleeping, and when Jesus tells you he will resurrect them on the last day you can believe what Jehovah God and Jesus Christ are telling you.

 

[Eyes to See]

The Bible does Not say a practice must be supported by scripture to be true!

Also the Bible doesn't say the Bible is the final authority on anything!

The Bible does say that you make God's word invalid by your tradition:

"Thus you make the word of God invalid by your tradition that you have handed down."-Mark 7:13.

It also says let God be found true while every man a liar:

"Certainly not! But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar."-Romans 3:4.

That is, if any teaching contradicts God's word, that teaching is a lie, not God's word.

Also it says that God's word is complete for us to fully equip us for every good work. In our time God's word is sufficient, nothing else is required to know the truth and have the knowledge to attain salvation:

"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."-2 Timothy 3:16-17.

 

[Spiderman]

The transfiguration was a vision.

The spirit that appeared to Saul by means of the spirit medium was a wicked spirit. Not the dead Samuel. We know this to be the case for several reasons. Firstly and foremost the Bible teaches that when a person dies he ceases to exist and is sleeping awaiting for Christ to resurrect them from the dead during the "last day." God forbid spirit mediums. And he also told Samuel to never talk to Saul again. Also all of Samuel's prophecies through Jehovah God came true, he was a true prophet. God does not lie. Why would Samuel disobey God and appear to Saul? The very reason Saul sought out a spirit medium is because Jehovah God would not answer him. Also the prophecy the wicked demon gave Saul did not come true. He told Saul that Saul and his entire household would die. Only Saul and his son Jonathon died in battle the next day. Members of his household survived and even ate at the table of king David afterwards.

You can believe what the Bible says, when it says the dead cease to live, and they are sleeping, and when Jesus tells you he will resurrect them on the last day you can believe what Jehovah God and Jesus Christ are telling you.

The Bible speaks in gross exaggerating and hyperbole all the time , and says the opposite of what it said elsewhere, many times.

Your claim the transfiguration wasn't really Moses and Elijah is Unbiblical. It was a vision of a spiritual reality.

Your statement about Samuel is Unbiblical. In other words, a lie.

You failed to address other verses I mentioned.

Also, your claim that the Catholic Church and all Christians got it wrong for over 1500 years is extremely depressing, makes God look terrible, is judgemental, total bigotry because you say Catholics pray to demons, and your rejection of the Catholic Church (the Church that Jesus Christ founded) is extremely UNBIBLICAL , AND A SIGN YOU ARE AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT!

I have absolutely no reason to believe you when you preach foreign, man-made, Unbiblical, dangerous, bigoted, hateful, judgemental, condemning, Unchristian, thoroughly depressing Doctrines that make God look terrible, and destroy your credibility!!!

Your belief system is a destructive man-made "Jonny come lately" for Christianity!


Your using the Bible as a final authority was not the practice of the first Christians, is found NO WHERE, NADA, ZIP, ZERO PLACE IN SCRIPTURE, is Unbiblical, is unchristian, divides and confuses everyone, makes God look terrible, and extremely sad!

You preach a terrible nightmare!

You Judge the Church that gave you your Bible, the Church that Jesus founded, the only Church to date back to Christ, as a bunch of Devil worshippers!

I've heard you say it before! It is totally nauseating!

 

[Spiderman]

The Bible does say that you make God's word invalid by your tradition:

"Thus you make the word of God invalid by your tradition that you have handed down."-Mark 7:13.

It also says let God be found true while every man a liar:

"Certainly not! But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar."-Romans 3:4.

That is, if any teaching contradicts God's word, that teaching is a lie, not God's word.

Also it says that God's word is complete for us to fully equip us for every good work. In our time God's word is sufficient, nothing else is required to know the truth and have the knowledge to attain salvation:

"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work."-2 Timothy 3:16-17.

The Bible says "if they do not listen to the Church, let them be to you as a Pagan or tax collector!"

The Bible contradicts itself.

It requires the Church to interpret it. That is what Christianity believed and accepted for over 1500 years.

The Bible says the unstable misinterpret scripture to their own destruction!

THE FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE NOT BIBLE CHRISTIANS! That is an easily proven historical fact!

 

[Eyes to See]

The Bible speaks in gross exaggerating and hyperbole all the time , and says the opposite of what it said elsewhere, many times.

Your claim the transfiguration wasn't really Moses and Elijah is Unbiblical. It was a vision of a spiritual reality.

Your statement about Samuel is Unbiblical. In other words, a lie.

You failed to address other verses I mentioned.

Also, your claim that the Catholic Church and all Christians got it wrong for over 1500 years is extremely depressing, makes God look terrible, is judgemental, total bigotry because you say Catholics pray to demons, and your rejection of the Catholic Church (the Church that Jesus Christ founded) is extremely UNBIBLICAL , AND A SIGN YOU ARE AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT!

I have absolutely no reason to believe you when you preach foreign, man-made, Unbiblical, dangerous, bigoted, hateful, judgemental, condemning, Unchristian, thoroughly depressing Doctrines that make God look terrible, and destroy your credibility!!!

Your belief system is a destructive man-made "Jonny come lately" for Christianity!


Your using the Bible as a final authority was not the practice of the first Christians, is found NO WHERE, NADA, ZIP, ZERO PLACE IN SCRIPTURE, is Unbiblical, is unchristian, divides and confuses everyone, makes God look terrible, and extremely sad!

You preach a terrible nightmare!

You Judge the Church that gave you your Bible, the Church that Jesus founded, the only Church to date back to Christ, as a bunch of Devil worshippers!

I've heard you say it before! It is totally nauseating!

Actually I have addressed what you brought up in other posts.

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus was a parable. The vision was just that a vision. And everything I told you about Samuel and Saul is Biblical. Look I don't want to argue with you. And I respect your beliefs. I don't want you to think any other way.

I will never call you names or degrade you. I never have and never will. Although you have done so to me and various occasions. And names that are wholly untrue and hurtful. I am not offended. Not in the least. I am used to being treated in a disrespectful manner on the internet by people of all sorts.

What I want you to know is that God is a God of love. When he gives you knowledge it is for your benefit. I love because God first loved us before we ever knew him. And all of our thoughts and actions and deeds should be guided first and foremost by love. If someone is to request an answer for your beliefs a true Christian is to respond, ready to make a defense for their faith, but along with deep respect and a spirit of mildness:

"But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone who demands of you a reason for the hope you have, but doing so with a mild temper and deep respect."=1 Peter 3:15.

That is why I dislike debates and arguments. God's word is not to be used to browbeat someone, to put them in their place or to prove to them they are wrong. How disrespectful of God's word. It is used in a spirit of mildness to adjust ones understanding of things. It teaches the truth and it is a reliable guide. And those who learn from it gain wisdom far more precious than all material riches of the world.

I try to reason with you a little just as I do with all out of love. And I don't mind if you have a different opinion, or understanding. Many do.

Look what can I say? Scriptural truths are very simple. I can share this with a person with an honest heart and they will understand what it means:

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten."-Ecclesiastes 9:5.

It's that simple. Reading that scripture do the dead know anything? The answer is no.

Now, you said Elijah and Moses were alive in the transfiguration, which was obviously a vision. Yet we are told that they have not yet received the fulfillment of the promise. In Hebrews 11 it talks to us about Moses in verse 23. It talks to us about Samuel in verse 32. Talks to us about Elijah in verse 34.

Does the Bible tell us that all of these holy men and women of old there is a whole list in Hebrews 11 are alive? No it says at the end of the chapter:

"And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise, because God had foreseen something better for us,u so that they might not be made perfect apart from us."-Hebrews 11:39-40


When Job was in agony and wanted to die, did he think he was going to go to heaven or somehwere else? No. He said he would sleep in death until God called him and raised him back to life.

Daniel, at the very end of his life in the book of Daniel wrote down a startling vision. And at the end of the vision the angel assured him this:

"But as for you, go on to the end. You will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days.”-Daniel 12:13.

So he was told he was going to die, and at that time he was going to be at "rest." And then he would "stand up" or be resurrected for his "lot" perhaps his piece of land God will give him, when? Yes "at the end of the days."

No where in any scripture anywhere s it taught that any human who has ever died is alive and living anywhere.

Even the chosen anointed who will be raised to heaven are told they would sleep in death until the return of Christ:

"Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death."-1 Thessalonians 4:13.

You can believe this. It says that those holy ones who had died were "sleeping in death."

Do you see how easy to understand this is? It isn't a nebulous, hard to understand, mysterious teaching. It is quite simple. And it is the truth.

The holy ones were told that they were to console each other with the fact that they would be sleeping in death until the return of Christ, when he would raise them to spiritual heavenly life:

"For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death;  because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first."-1 Thessalonians 4:15-16.

Those who are asleep in death at the time of Christ's return will be raised first, then we those left alive of the anointed, will be swept away along with them to the heaven and all of us who have been called will be with Christ forever:

"Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.  So keep comforting one another with these words."-vs 17.

Have you ever been taught or do you believe that people go to heaven when they die? This is one of the very few scriptures that talk about the heavenly hope. And it is only offered to a very few people. And we are told in the scripture that this will not take place until Jesus returns.

After Jesus died and was raised to heaven the scripture quite plainly tells us that no one has gone to heaven except one the one who descended, that is Jesus Christ, the son of man:

"Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man."-John 3:13.

 

[Spiderman]

Actually I have addressed what you brought up in other posts.

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus was a parable. The vision was just that a vision. And everything I told you about Samuel and Saul is Biblical. Look I don't want to argue with you. And I respect your beliefs. I don't want you to think any other way.

I will never call you names or degrade you. I never have and never will. Although you have done so to me and various occasions. And names that are wholly untrue and hurtful. I am not offended. Not in the least. I am used to being treated in a disrespectful manner on the internet by people of all sorts.

What I want you to know is that God is a God of love. When he gives you knowledge it is for your benefit. I love because God first loved us before we ever knew him. And all of our thoughts and actions and deeds should be guided first and foremost by love. If someone is to request an answer for your beliefs a true Christian is to respond, ready to make a defense for their faith, but along with deep respect and a spirit of mildness:

"But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone who demands of you a reason for the hope you have, but doing so with a mild temper and deep respect."=1 Peter 3:15.

That is why I dislike debates and arguments. God's word is not to be used to browbeat someone, to put them in their place or to prove to them they are wrong. How disrespectful of God's word. It is used in a spirit of mildness to adjust ones understanding of things. It teaches the truth and it is a reliable guide. And those who learn from it gain wisdom far more precious than all material riches of the world.

I try to reason with you a little just as I do with all out of love. And I don't mind if you have a different opinion, or understanding. Many do.

Look what can I say? Scriptural truths are very simple. I can share this with a person with an honest heart and they will understand what it means:

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten."-Ecclesiastes 9:5.

It's that simple. Reading that scripture do the dead know anything? The answer is no.

Now, you said Elijah and Moses were alive in the transfiguration, which was obviously a vision. Yet we are told that they have not yet received the fulfillment of the promise. In Hebrews 11 it talks to us about Moses in verse 23. It talks to us about Samuel in verse 32. Talks to us about Elijah in verse 34.

Does the Bible tell us that all of these holy men and women of old there is a whole list in Hebrews 11 are alive? No it says at the end of the chapter:

"And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise, because God had foreseen something better for us,u so that they might not be made perfect apart from us."-Hebrews 11:39-40


When Job was in agony and wanted to die, did he think he was going to go to heaven or somehwere else? No. He said he would sleep in death until God called him and raised him back to life.

Daniel, at the very end of his life in the book of Daniel wrote down a startling vision. And at the end of the vision the angel assured him this:

"But as for you, go on to the end. You will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days.”-Daniel 12:13.

So he was told he was going to die, and at that time he was going to be at "rest." And then he would "stand up" or be resurrected for his "lot" perhaps his piece of land God will give him, when? Yes "at the end of the days."

No where in any scripture anywhere s it taught that any human who has ever died is alive and living anywhere.

Even the chosen anointed who will be raised to heaven are told they would sleep in death until the return of Christ:

"Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death."-1 Thessalonians 4:13.

You can believe this. It says that those holy ones who had died were "sleeping in death."

Do you see how easy to understand this is? It isn't a nebulous, hard to understand, mysterious teaching. It is quite simple. And it is the truth.

The holy ones were told that they were to console each other with the fact that they would be sleeping in death until the return of Christ, when he would raise them to spiritual heavenly life:

"For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death;  because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first."-1 Thessalonians 4:15-16.

Those who are asleep in death at the time of Christ's return will be raised first, then we those left alive of the anointed, will be swept away along with them to the heaven and all of us who have been called will be with Christ forever:

"Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.  So keep comforting one another with these words."-vs 17.

Have you ever been taught or do you believe that people go to heaven when they die? This is one of the very few scriptures that talk about the heavenly hope. And it is only offered to a very few people. And we are told in the scripture that this will not take place until Jesus returns.

After Jesus died and was raised to heaven the scripture quite plainly tells us that no one has gone to heaven except one the one who descended, that is Jesus Christ, the son of man:

"Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man."-John 3:13.

You said I called you names multiple times. Until you can show me where, I caught you in multiple lies and falsehoods!

Much of the Bible is poetry and parables, and the Bible says the opposite thing in one place that it says in another.

You said prayers to souls in heaven is prayers to Demons and devils on another thread! Such teaching means for over 1500 years, all Christian Churches were praying to devils and demons.

That is extreme bigotry! You condemn Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians as Devil worshippers and Idolaters! That is extreme hateful religious bigotry!

If that is what you mean by name calling, it really is just stating a fact about your behavior!

To judge, condemn, and degrade over a billion Christians as Idolators and Devil worshippers , is extremely self-righteous , hateful bigotry! It is also nauseating and depressing!

It is misleading and makes God look terrible, because the first 1500+ years of Christianity, God didn't guide, and they were all worshipping demons!

You fail to see how sickening that is, and how toxic what you are teaching is!?? It is highly destructive and kicks God in the teeth!

You also are an enemy of the Church that Christ founded, you despise the only Church that dates back to the time of Christ, so obviously you oppose Christ and his Church!

The vision on transfiguration was Jesus with Souls in Heaven. You added Unbiblical misleading falsehood to it to suit your agenda of hatred for Christ's Church!

You love the Bible but hate the Church you got it from! Total hypocrisy when people do that, and such people are enemies of Christ, dividing and confusing the flock, making it easy for Satan to conquer!

Plus, Scripture says listen to the Church! You already don't follow Scripture, so why should I trust you??

You destroyed your credibility! Scripture contradicts itself. You are not the official authority to interpret a book so full of contradictions, hyperbole, symbolism, and parables! Jesus created a Church for that!

 

[Eyes to See]

You said I called you names multiple times. Until you can show me where, I caught you in multiple lies and falsehoods!

Much of the Bible is poetry and parables, and the Bible says the opposite thing in one place that it says in another.

You said prayers to souls in heaven is prayers to Demons and devils on another thread! Such teaching means for over 1500 years, all Christian Churches were praying to devils and demons.

That is extreme bigotry! You condemn Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians as Devil worshippers and Idolaters! That is extreme hateful religious bigotry!

If that is what you mean by name calling, it really is just stating a fact about your behavior!

To judge, condemn, and degrade over a billion Christians as Idolators and Devil worshippers , is extremely self-righteous , hateful bigotry! It is also nauseating and depressing!

It is misleading and makes God look terrible, because the first 1500+ years of Christianity, God didn't guide, and they were all worshipping demons!

You fail to see how sickening that is, and how toxic what you are teaching is!?? It is highly destructive and kicks God in the teeth!

You also are an enemy of the Church that Christ founded, you despise the only Church that dates back to the time of Christ, so obviously you oppose Christ and his Church!

The vision on transfiguration was Jesus with Souls in Heaven. You added Unbiblical misleading falsehood to it to suit your agenda of hatred for Christ's Church!

You love the Bible but hate the Church you got it from! Total hypocrisy when people do that, and such people are enemies of Christ, dividing and confusing the flock, making it easy for Satan to conquer!

Plus, Scripture says listen to the Church! You already don't follow Scripture, so why should I trust you??

You destroyed your credibility! Scripture contradicts itself. You are not the official authority to interpret a book so full of contradictions, hyperbole, symbolism, and parables! Jesus created a Church for that!

So right after you said you didn't call me names you started to call me names.

God's word exposes all falsehood. And God is not a bigot. Scripture says this about how God views all humankind:

"God is not partial, but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him."Acts 10:34-35.

How could I explain it to you? There was a woman awhile ago used to work with she was enjoying the Bible message until she read this passage:

"Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom."-1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

And her whole countance changed from one of kindly and friendly to extremely vile and offended much like you come across. She said I had no right to judge her for being with her man without being married (living in fornication as she called it). But I never did that. Just as I never did any of the things you just said I did.

Now God's word will correct you. Just like it corrected her. But who really is judging? Wasn't it her own conscience? I never said anything about her life-style or anyone's for that matter. God's word pointed out to her on its own, and she came to the conclusion on her own.

I shared scriptures with you and you came to your own conclusions and then claimed I was a bigot for sharing Bible truth with you. Your conscience pricked you because of God's word. Not anything I said or judged you by. I have never judged anyone. God's word is a mirror. If you look into it it will reveal to you who you are. Happy you are if you remain in God's word and heed his warnings.

 

[Spiderman]

Actually I have addressed what you brought up in other posts.

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus was a parable. The vision was just that a vision. And everything I told you about Samuel and Saul is Biblical. Look I don't want to argue with you. And I respect your beliefs. I don't want you to think any other way.

I will never call you names or degrade you. I never have and never will. Although you have done so to me and various occasions. And names that are wholly untrue and hurtful. I am not offended. Not in the least. I am used to being treated in a disrespectful manner on the internet by people of all sorts.

What I want you to know is that God is a God of love. When he gives you knowledge it is for your benefit. I love because God first loved us before we ever knew him. And all of our thoughts and actions and deeds should be guided first and foremost by love. If someone is to request an answer for your beliefs a true Christian is to respond, ready to make a defense for their faith, but along with deep respect and a spirit of mildness:

"But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone who demands of you a reason for the hope you have, but doing so with a mild temper and deep respect."=1 Peter 3:15.

That is why I dislike debates and arguments. God's word is not to be used to browbeat someone, to put them in their place or to prove to them they are wrong. How disrespectful of God's word. It is used in a spirit of mildness to adjust ones understanding of things. It teaches the truth and it is a reliable guide. And those who learn from it gain wisdom far more precious than all material riches of the world.

I try to reason with you a little just as I do with all out of love. And I don't mind if you have a different opinion, or understanding. Many do.

Look what can I say? Scriptural truths are very simple. I can share this with a person with an honest heart and they will understand what it means:

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten."-Ecclesiastes 9:5.

It's that simple. Reading that scripture do the dead know anything? The answer is no.

Now, you said Elijah and Moses were alive in the transfiguration, which was obviously a vision. Yet we are told that they have not yet received the fulfillment of the promise. In Hebrews 11 it talks to us about Moses in verse 23. It talks to us about Samuel in verse 32. Talks to us about Elijah in verse 34.

Does the Bible tell us that all of these holy men and women of old there is a whole list in Hebrews 11 are alive? No it says at the end of the chapter:

"And yet all of these, although they received a favorable witness because of their faith, did not obtain the fulfillment of the promise, because God had foreseen something better for us,u so that they might not be made perfect apart from us."-Hebrews 11:39-40


When Job was in agony and wanted to die, did he think he was going to go to heaven or somehwere else? No. He said he would sleep in death until God called him and raised him back to life.

Daniel, at the very end of his life in the book of Daniel wrote down a startling vision. And at the end of the vision the angel assured him this:

"But as for you, go on to the end. You will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days.”-Daniel 12:13.

So he was told he was going to die, and at that time he was going to be at "rest." And then he would "stand up" or be resurrected for his "lot" perhaps his piece of land God will give him, when? Yes "at the end of the days."

No where in any scripture anywhere s it taught that any human who has ever died is alive and living anywhere.

Even the chosen anointed who will be raised to heaven are told they would sleep in death until the return of Christ:

"Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death."-1 Thessalonians 4:13.

You can believe this. It says that those holy ones who had died were "sleeping in death."

Do you see how easy to understand this is? It isn't a nebulous, hard to understand, mysterious teaching. It is quite simple. And it is the truth.

The holy ones were told that they were to console each other with the fact that they would be sleeping in death until the return of Christ, when he would raise them to spiritual heavenly life:

"For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death;  because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first."-1 Thessalonians 4:15-16.

Those who are asleep in death at the time of Christ's return will be raised first, then we those left alive of the anointed, will be swept away along with them to the heaven and all of us who have been called will be with Christ forever:

"Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.  So keep comforting one another with these words."-vs 17.

Have you ever been taught or do you believe that people go to heaven when they die? This is one of the very few scriptures that talk about the heavenly hope. And it is only offered to a very few people. And we are told in the scripture that this will not take place until Jesus returns.

After Jesus died and was raised to heaven the scripture quite plainly tells us that no one has gone to heaven except one the one who descended, that is Jesus Christ, the son of man:

"Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man."-John 3:13.

You pretend because the Bible says something, that means it is true.

I can prove otherwise.

Scripture says God doesn't answer the prayers of sinners. That obviously is false. The righteous man falls every day!

Bible says call no man your Father. Later Paul says "I am your Father".

Bible says faith of a mustard seed can move mountains. Not true!

Jesus said those who believe in him will do his works and greater works.

Bible says no man has seen the face of God. Yet Moses saw the face of God.

The Bible says no one ascended into heaven but Christ. Yet Elijah ascended into heaven in a chariot.

The Bible doesn't mean what it says in many places.

So, Christ created a Church that the Holy Spirit is supposed to guide.

You cannot follow a book that contradicts itself so many times, to start telling people they pray to demons. Which is what you did, and you know it!

 

[Spiderman]

So right after you said you didn't call me names you started to call me names.

God's word exposes all falsehood. And God is not a bigot. Scripture says this about how God views all humankind:

"God is not partial, but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him."Acts 10:34-35.

How could I explain it to you? There was a woman awhile ago used to work with she was enjoying the Bible message until she read this passage:

"Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom."-1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

And her whole countance changed from one of kindly and friendly to extremely vile and offended much like you come across. She said I had no right to judge her for being with her man without being married (living in fornication as she called it). But I never did that. Just as I never did any of the things you just said I did.

Now God's word will correct you. Just like it corrected her. But who really is judging? Wasn't it her own conscience? I never said anything about her life-style or anyone's for that matter. God's word pointed out to her on its own, and she came to the conclusion on her own.

I shared scriptures with you and you came to your own conclusions and then claimed I was a bigot for sharing Bible truth with you. Your conscience pricked you because of God's word. Not anything I said or judged you by. I have never judged anyone. God's word is a mirror. If you look into it it will reveal to you who you are. Happy you are if you remain in God's word and heed his warnings.

I proved to you God's word contradicts itself and you don't even follow God's word!

I proved it!

God's word says "listen to the Church". You oppose the Church Christ founded!

Also, you declared that essentially all Christian Churches on the face of the earth for over 1500 years , were demon worshippers and Idolaters!

That is extreme harsh judgements and bigotry!

When you teach what is toxic, judgemental, cruel, harsh, condemning, and bigotry, you make God look terrible! You become God's enemy!

Plus you hate the Church that Jesus founded, because you accuse them of worshipping devils. Therefore, you are an enemy of Christ!

It's thoroughly disgusting how you treat people!

Keep attacking the bride of Christ and you have made yourself an enemy of Christ! You teach what is toxic, divisive, judgement, condemnation, and cruel!

You reject the Church Christ founded on Peter!

The Bible doesn't say all people know how to interpret Scripture, and much meaning was lost in translation and culture.

 

[Eyes to See]

You pretend because the Bible says something, that means it is true.

I can prove otherwise.

Scripture says God doesn't answer the prayers of sinners. That obviously is false. The righteous man falls every day!

Bible says call no man your Father. Later Paul says "I am your Father".

Bible says faith of a mustard seed can move mountains. Not true!

Jesus said those who believe in him will do his works and greater works.

Bible says no man has seen the face of God. Yet Moses saw the face of God.

The Bible says no one ascended into heaven but Christ. Yet Elijah ascended into heaven in a chariot.

The Bible doesn't mean what it says in many places.

So, Christ created a Church that the Holy Spirit is supposed to guide.

You cannot follow a book that contradicts itself so many times, to start telling people they pray to demons. Which is what you did, and you know it!

1. When it says to call no man your Father Jesus was referring to spiritual leader, such as is the title of Pope. Pope is latin for papa (informal of father).

Now Paul was referring to those whom he brought into the truth as his spiritual chidlren, or he was their spiritual father, and that is quite apt. There is no contraction. Paul was NOT claming he was their leader (what Jesus was referring to when he said not to call anyone on earth your Father):

"Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. 10 Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ."-Matthew 23:9, 10.

The Catholic Church disobeys Jesus' command here by using titles such as "Pope" for their "leader."

That Paul never considers himself a leader of anyone he said:

"What is Paul? Ministers through whom you became believers, just as the Lord granted each one.  I planted, A·polʹlos watered, but God kept making it grow, so that neither is the one who plants anything nor is the one who waters, but God who makes it grow."-1 Corinthians 3:5-7.

I am the spiritual father to those whom I have brought the truth to and have had their eyes opened to the truth. But I do not consider myself over them or their "father" or "leader."


2. Jesus was referring to the preaching work. He was only on earth for 3 1/2 years. His followers were to extend that preaching into all the earth, and during that time they performed many powerful works so that God's name and Jesus' teachings were spread across the entire land just as Jesus told them would happen.

3. The Bible tells us that Moses did not see Jehovah's face:

Jehovah talking to Moses:

"But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”
21 Jehovah said further: “Here is a place near me. Station yourself on the rock. 22 When my glory is passing by, I will place you in a crevice of the rock, and I will shield you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 After that I will take my hand away, and you will see my back. But my face may not be seen.”-Exodus 3320-23.

3. Elijah ascended into the heaven that is the sky in the chariot. It was obviously not into the spirit real with Jehovah God. For he was still alive and later on is even talked about in the Bible prophesying in another part of the land:

This is a scripture referring to Elijah still on earth and still acting as prophet for God after he went into the sky on the chariot:

"Eventually a written message came to him from E·liʹjah the prophet, saying: “This is what Jehovah the God of David your forefather says, ‘You have not walked in the ways of your father Je·hoshʹa·phat or in the ways of King Aʹsa of Judah. 13 But you walk in the way of the kings of Israel and cause Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to commit spiritual prostitution like the prostitution of the house of Aʹhab, and you even killed your own brothers, the household of your father, who were better than you. 14 Therefore, Jehovah is dealing a great blow to your people, to your sons, to your wives, and to all your possessions. 15 And you will suffer with many sicknesses, including a disease of your intestines, until your intestines come out because of the disease, day after day.’”-2 Chronicles 21:12-15.

God's word does not contradict itself.

This is an example of what happens with critics and skeptics look for fault in the Bible but don't try to reason out the truth.

We can do this with all of yours (or whomever's you are reading) so-called contradictions. But I don't have time.

 

[Spiderman]

1. When it says to call no man your Father Jesus was referring to spiritual leader, such as is the title of Pope. Pope is latin for papa (informal of father).

Now Paul was referring to those whom he brought into the truth as his spiritual chidlren, or he was their spiritual father, and that is quite apt. There is no contraction. Paul was NOT claming he was their leader (what Jesus was referring to when he said not to call anyone on earth your Father):

"Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. 10 Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ."-Matthew 23:9, 10.

The Catholic Church disobeys Jesus' command here by using titles such as "Pope" for their "leader."

That Paul never considers himself a leader of anyone he said:

"What is Paul? Ministers through whom you became believers, just as the Lord granted each one.  I planted, A·polʹlos watered, but God kept making it grow, so that neither is the one who plants anything nor is the one who waters, but God who makes it grow."-1 Corinthians 3:5-7.

I am the spiritual father to those whom I have brought the truth to and have had their eyes opened to the truth. But I do not consider myself over them or their "father" or "leader."


2. Jesus was referring to the preaching work. He was only on earth for 3 1/2 years. His followers were to extend that preaching into all the earth, and during that time they performed many powerful works so that God's name and Jesus' teachings were spread across the entire land just as Jesus told them would happen.

3. The Bible tells us that Moses did not see Jehovah's face:

Jehovah talking to Moses:

"But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”
21 Jehovah said further: “Here is a place near me. Station yourself on the rock. 22 When my glory is passing by, I will place you in a crevice of the rock, and I will shield you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 After that I will take my hand away, and you will see my back. But my face may not be seen.”-Exodus 3320-23.

3. Elijah ascended into the heaven that is the sky in the chariot. It was obviously not into the spirit real with Jehovah God. For he was still alive and later on is even talked about in the Bible prophesying in another part of the land:

This is a scripture referring to Elijah still on earth and still acting as prophet for God after he went into the sky on the chariot:

"Eventually a written message came to him from E·liʹjah the prophet, saying: “This is what Jehovah the God of David your forefather says, ‘You have not walked in the ways of your father Je·hoshʹa·phat or in the ways of King Aʹsa of Judah. 13 But you walk in the way of the kings of Israel and cause Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to commit spiritual prostitution like the prostitution of the house of Aʹhab, and you even killed your own brothers, the household of your father, who were better than you. 14 Therefore, Jehovah is dealing a great blow to your people, to your sons, to your wives, and to all your possessions. 15 And you will suffer with many sicknesses, including a disease of your intestines, until your intestines come out because of the disease, day after day.’”-2 Chronicles 21:12-15.

God's word does not contradict itself.

This is an example of what happens with critics and skeptics look for fault in the Bible but don't try to reason out the truth.

We can do this with all of yours (or whomever's you are reading) so-called contradictions. But I don't have time.

Can Ann Frank and Jewish children victims of the Holocaust get to heaven without accepting Jesus?

"Also, Scripture says, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man, you have no life in you"! That is total obvious falsehood!

How can you take a Book, so full of obvious false statements, and use it to judge and condemn Christians, over a billion of them, as demon worshippers, like you did??

 

[Eyes to See]

Can Ann Frank and Jewish children victims of the Holocaust get to heaven without accepting Jesus?

"Also, Scripture says, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man, you have no life in you"! That is total obvious falsehood!

How can you take a Book, so full of obvious false statements, and use it to judge and condemn Christians, over a billion of them, as demon worshippers, like you did??

Because I have taken the time to study the Bible. And have come to the conclusion that it is the word of God. As I have shown you there are no contradictions.

I have addressed your insults over and over and in other posts. I see no real sincerity in you. So I will leave you be at that. I will leave you with this, I respect you. When I did reason with you it was out of love and sincere heartfelt interest in you. Perhaps in the future your heart will not be so hardened against God or his word.

Hope you have a good night, and a good life.

 

[Spiderman]

Because I have taken the time to study the Bible. And have come to the conclusion that it is the word of God. As I have shown you there are no contradictions.

I have addressed your insults over and over and in other posts. I see no real sincerity in you. So I will leave you be at that. I will leave you with this, I respect you. When I did reason with you it was out of love and sincere heartfelt interest in you. Perhaps in the future your heart will not be so hardened against God or his word.

Hope you have a good night, and a good life.

Can Ann Frank and Jews who never accepted Jesus get to Heaven?