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Integrity

The Hammer

Skald
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Defined as "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness." (Oxford Languages)


What does it mean to you?

My way of describing it, is a person is acting with integrity if they are willing to do the right thing, when no one is looking.
 
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JustGeorge

Imperfect
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To me, it means not being a... well, we can't say that on the forums, but you can fill in the blanks for your own needs. I'm sure you get my drift.

Because moral codes differ, and I don't like to measure everyone by the same stick, I would say a person is acting with integrity when they are acting upright as according to their own personal code, and that code includes the importance of not harming others.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
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I would say a person is acting with integrity when they are acting upright as according to their own personal code, and that code includes the importance of not harming others.

This. I agree that people with integrity are those who stick by and live by their own stated principles, beliefs, and standards.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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Premium Member
Defined as "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness." (Oxford Languages)


Why does it mean to you?

My way of describing it, is a person is acting with integrity if they are willing to do the right thing, when no one is looking.

I think of it similarly. I sometimes think of it as 'willing to do the right thing even when it's not in your own best interest'.

There's elements of both to it, I guess.

Also worth noting it's possible to have integrity and be a complete and utter [language filter].
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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I'm curious as to how this plays out?

At the risk of sounding like I'm potting religion...

There are plenty of genuinely religious people who believe they are following the tenets of the one true God. Some are hypocrites, but some are not. The latter will act per the tenets of their beliefs even when it's difficult, even when it costs them, and even when no one is looking. They have a genuine belief in what they're doing, and are acting with integrity.

I don't see anything in that meaning they'll necessarily be pleasant to deal with, especially for a fairly polite heathen like myself. I mean, they certainly might be. But they might not be.

In either case I'd see that person as having integrity. Please note, there is nothing particularly about religion in all this...it's just a simple example. The same can be said about different aspects of everyone's beliefs and actions.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
This. I agree that people with integrity are those who stick by and live by their own stated principles, beliefs, and standards.
I think this is a good start. The dilemma I see is that those who believed in the standards of the Confederate States of America can have integrity, but I would dispute this due to their inhumane beliefs, racism, and inability to understand that other classes of people are owed dignity. So a confederate might have integrity within their own ideological standards, but in the broader sense they have very little.

So I suggest principles need to be liberal and tolerant, and not assume a sort of superiority of self, so humility is crucial to integrity. This would render a person who believes in any sort of strong ideology as having limited integrity. I say this because we often see those with a strong ideology valuing their beliefs over humans, which means their moral sense is set aside for what the ideology says. It's a complex issue.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Integrity to me means that a person holds themselves accountable and responsible to worthy standards in their actions and convictions. In private and in public they hold themselves to such standards and are not moved from them. Stubbornness is not integrity.

In general all virtues are worthy standards. To me there are about 100 virtues. Virtues are attributes of good character such as honesty, humility, patience, wisdom, discretion. Virtues are qualities and motivations.

It's very real that a person can have integrity, but be completely wrong in positions and convictions they hold to. It's humanity and no one is perfect. A person of integrity can admit their own wrongs when they realize them.

Being right all the time is an awfully hard thing to do. I don't see any such person is always right.
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
Defined as "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness." (Oxford Languages)


What does it mean to you?

My way of describing it, is a person is acting with integrity if they are willing to do the right thing, when no one is looking.
Agreed I would add doing the right thing for the right reason.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
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I think this is a good start. The dilemma I see is that those who believed in the standards of the Confederate States of America can have integrity, but I would dispute this due to their inhumane beliefs, racism, and inability to understand that other classes of people are owed dignity. So a confederate might have integrity within their own ideological standards, but in the broader sense they have very little.

Most of those who identify as Confederate would also identify as Christian, which (when compared with their actions and words) would cause their integrity to fall apart rather quickly.

They also tend to identify with the Antebellum U.S., including the Declaration of Independence, which states "all men are created equal." Anyone with eyes and ears could have seen they were lying about that. Even after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment supposedly guaranteed equality, but they embraced separate but equal which, in fact, was not equal.

So, I would still stand by what I said, since they are/were clearly not following their own standards and stated principles. Their lack of integrity is easily exposed when pointing out these obvious discrepancies and inconsistencies.

So I suggest principles need to be liberal and tolerant, and not assume a sort of superiority of self, so humility is crucial to integrity. This would render a person who believes in any sort of strong ideology as having limited integrity. I say this because we often see those with a strong ideology valuing their beliefs over humans, which means their moral sense is set aside for what the ideology says. It's a complex issue.

Few people would ever openly or publicly declare support of murder, theft, racism, corruption, or any of the so-called "dark triad" traits which could be reasonably considered bad or malignant principles. Fewer of them would get elected to public office on some kind platform openly endorsing evil and malice towards other humans. Even the worst of villains will always tend to try to pass themselves off as "good," one way or the other.

On the other hand, looking back, there may have been some principles which most today have identified as malignant and racist, yet people back in the 19th century might not have seen it that way due to having different values, beliefs, and standards. So, you're right, it is rather complex.

And I do agree that principles should be, on the whole, liberal, tolerant, and other qualities most often identified with "good." But if someone wants to embrace evil or dark principles, then I would say those who are honest about it would have more integrity (in my opinion) than those who are not.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
And I do agree that principles should be, on the whole, liberal, tolerant, and other qualities most often identified with "good." But if someone wants to embrace evil or dark principles, then I would say those who are honest about it would have more integrity (in my opinion) than those who are not.
Well if we look at the example of Darth Vader he operated with evil intent because that offered rewards and outcomes even though it hurt others. So he had success and people feared him, but in the end he realized his path didn't really work for him.

Of course Vader is a fitctional character, but the attributes he had, the ends justify the means, are common traits on many historical figures. One is even an ex American president who is still making headlines.
 
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