interested in how satanists interact with christians

[christian_josh]

Hey,

I'm Josh and I used to worship Satan. Now I worship God. Very interested in having discussions with Satanists about what truth is, if they even believe in truth, and how one should live his or her life. Anyone know of places I can go to connect with Satanists on these topics?

(I would have posted this in the DIR but it won't let me post in there.)

Regards

Josh

 

[Altfish]

Hey,

I'm Josh and I used to worship Satan. Now I worship God. Very interested in having discussions with Satanists about what truth is, if they even believe in truth, and how one should live his or her life. Anyone know of places I can go to connect with Satanists on these topics?

(I would have posted this in the DIR but it won't let me post in there.)

Regards

Josh

Truth is an interesting term to use.
Going by you user name, you think the Christian story is true; Muslims and Jews and all other religions think differently.
Atheists think they are all lies.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Interfaith discussion should work nicely!

I follow a multifaceted path, and that includes some Satanic (if you will) influences. For me, the Satanic path is one of illuminating the individual over that of the collective. Truth has subjective and objective qualities and should be distinguished from fact. Facts should be objectively defined and discerned, while truth may be a subjective interpretation of reality.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

@VoidCat may be very interested in this thread.

 

[christian_josh]

Truth is an interesting term to use.
Going by you user name, you think the Christian story is true; Muslims and Jews and all other religions think differently.
Atheists think they are all lies.

Yeah, that's true. I guess for me, I'm just trying to get "pure" in my own soul - and I feel like I've been spiritually "rolling in the mud" for so long, that now I have this desire to help people in areas where I once was. It's not so that I can push people to the brink of feeling uncomfortable, but just so that I can help people in areas where they struggle. Satan was leading me to self-harm and to suicide and to terrible things... I've found that God and faith in Christ brings life, but faith in Satan brings self-harm and death and conflict...

We could talk about atheistic satanists and theistic satanists. I guess I was a theistic satanist, but I wanted to know if all satanists eventually become atheists - they worship satan only and eventually lose their faith in "God"?

 

[christian_josh]

Interfaith discussion should work nicely!

I follow a multifaceted path, and that includes some Satanic (if you will) influences. For me, the Satanic path is one of illuminating the individual over that of the collective. Truth has subjective and objective qualities and should be distinguished from fact. Facts should be objectively defined and discerned, while truth may be a subjective interpretation of reality.

Very interesting. I guess the question I have for you is, is your goal for everyone to become a Satanist (or the path that you personally take - I understand it's not pure Satanism)? Because if, hypothetically, if everyone was a Satanist, then wouldn't that be illuminating the collective over the individual? (I say this with complete respect for you and your religion - just trying to figure things out myself as well)

 

[christian_josh]

Interfaith discussion should work nicely!

I follow a multifaceted path, and that includes some Satanic (if you will) influences. For me, the Satanic path is one of illuminating the individual over that of the collective. Truth has subjective and objective qualities and should be distinguished from fact. Facts should be objectively defined and discerned, while truth may be a subjective interpretation of reality.

This is actually fascinating - can you give me an example of something that is "truth" and yet is objective/subjective, and an example of fact, which is, in your view, objective only? Please tell me more about this.

 

[VoidCat]

Hi. Eclectic pagan that mixes some theistic satanism and luciferianism in my path. For some understanding the pagan paths I mix are Sumerian,and Egyptian. My main deity is Bastet Goddess of cats. I also have a few ideas that are pagan I include as well but aren't specific to any one path

 

[christian_josh]

HI. Eclectic pagan that mixes some theistic satanism and luciferianism in my path. For some understanding the pagan paths I mix are Sumerian,and Egyptian. My main deity is Bastet Goddess of cats.

Hi, VoidCat, nice to meet you. Yeah, I was practicing / trying to practice LaVeyan Satanism, but I had become frustrated with the fact that nothing seemed to be happening when I tried to summon spirits/demons...

For me, I realized that the whole thing was a sham... but that said, I realize that you take your faith very seriously and I don't mean to be disrespectful or rude... we could talk about that more too -- Christianity discourages the practice of magick / sorcery (I'm not sure if you see a difference between magick and sorcery) but I still care about you guys...

I had been interested in Wicca for a while, as well as Thelema / chaos magick. We could also talk about how there is ritual magic in satanism. I want to understand not just satanism, but also the paganism in general -- like, firstly, I want to talk to pagans without seeming or being supercilious or haughty, or like I know all the answers... I don't... I think there are a lot of things that pagans get and understand that us christians don't understand or emphasize enough. Like, sometimes, compassion, understanding, and perhaps even the mystical aspects of spirituality.

But also just trying to understand why pagans believe what they believe and what they understand to be good/true/the right way to follow, or something along those lines. Is there evidence for their gods? Does there have to be? Can you "make up" or "invent" a god to worship? I'm interested in these topics... So yeah, let me know more...

Thanks!

 

[VoidCat]

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But also just trying to understand why pagans believe what they believe and what they understand to be good/true/the right way to follow, or something along those lines. Is there evidence for their gods? Does there have to be? Can you "make up" or "invent" a god to worship? I'm interested in these topics... So yeah, let me know more...

Thanks!

For me I do what works for me. Works as in helps me grow spiritually mentally physically etc... Good way to be is being kind to others and limiting harm to others. For me my evidence for myself is my personal experiences and I have no desire to prove those experiences to others. As for inventing gods have you ever heard of pop culture deities? I don't worship any but apparently some people do and it seems similar to creating a tupla or thoughtform.

 

[VoidCat]

Yeah, I was practicing / trying to practice LaVeyan Satanism, but I had become frustrated with the fact that nothing seemed to be happening when I tried to summon spirits/demons.

That might be because LaVeyan Satanism is atheistic. You'd probably have better luck using a framework that isnt. Those rituals in the satanic bible are not design to involve actual spirits and demons. But for other goals.

 

[christian_josh]

For me I do what works for me. Works as in helps me grow spiritually mentally physically etc... Good way to be is being kind to others and limiting harm to others. For me my evidence for myself is my personal experiences and I have no desire to prove those experiences to others. As for inventing gods have you ever heard of pop culture deities? I don't worship any but apparently some people do and it seems similar to creating a tupla or thoughtform.

I've never heard of pop culture deities. That sounds interesting. I do agree with being kind to others and limiting harm. But yeah, I get what you're saying. Very interesting to broaden my perspective about other paths such as paganism, thelema, etc. I like learning about this stuff.

 

[VoidCat]

That might be because LaVeyan Satanism is atheistic. You'd probably have better luck using a framework that isnt. Those rituals in the satanic bible are not design to involve actual spirits and demons. But for other goals.

Note: I don't incorporate LaVeyan Satanism in my practice. The views in the Satanic Bible I find repulsive at times because they seem to incorporate too much social darwinism and ideas that remind me of eugenics

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Very interesting. I guess the question I have for you is, is your goal for everyone to become a Satanist (or the path that you personally take - I understand it's not pure Satanism)? Because if, hypothetically, if everyone was a Satanist, then wouldn't that be illuminating the collective over the individual? (I say this with complete respect for you and your religion - just trying to figure things out myself as well)

I think a Satanist that seeks to proselytize misses the point. "Left hand paths" (I am wary of the term only because my dad was left handed due to a disability and was bullied by religious bigots about it) are typically solitary journeys meant to illuminate one to a truth beyond blind faith.

I accept we are a community-based species, but individuals best serve a community when they are allowed to understand themselves and provide new insight and diversity within the "collective."

In this way, I find that even Christians who would reject "Satan" and worship Christ sometimes use "left handed" philosophies to better understand their spiritual beliefs: Especially where mysticism (seeking direct relationship with God) is concerned such as Saint John of the Cross's "Dark Night of the Soul"; and Satanists sometimes have strong collective morality such as the Satanic Temple's Fundamental Tenets.

This is actually fascinating - can you give me an example of something that is "truth" and yet is objective/subjective, and an example of fact, which is, in your view, objective only? Please tell me more about this.

Consider that I love my partner. There are objective facts of this: My hormone levels can be measured showing strong bonding levels and our behavior can be observed showing traits that conform with cultural definitions of "love," but this truth is ultimately subjective. I am the one who feels the emotion and attaches it to the definition. A person's feelings may not match the hormonal level, and certainly behaviors can mask feelings that aren't "love."