Thought this was of interest,BBC News - Ancient humans, dubbed 'Denisovans', interbred with us what do creationists make of it?
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Interesting new find
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The evolutionists will have the greater problems if its true.
Why? i think its just another piece to the puzzle
Evolution is natural progression. Inter species breeding is not a natural progression. Example horse and donkey = mule
I suspect that you are working from a misunderstanding of the definition of evolution. What do you mean by progression?
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angellous_evangellous
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I'm no evolution expert but i don't think this is what evolution means
You've already been corrected on this falsehood. Evolution isn't about "progress", however you may define it (you defined it as intelligence in the thread I linked). As I've explained, Scala naturae is a quaint footnote in anthropomorphism and medieval thinking and has nothing to do with the alteration of alleles over stretches of time.
I swear, I think the rules for evolution change everyday.
Interspecies Sex: Evolution's Hidden Secret?
hybrid is the evolutionary term for cross species breeding.
The article points out that it is currently underestimated in evolutional theory but does not make it clear why.
Interspecies Sex: Evolution's Hidden Secret?
hybrid is the evolutionary term for cross species breeding.
The article points out that it is currently underestimated in evolutional theory but does not make it clear why.
You assume my definition of progress is the same as yours.
Progress for me is to go from point a to point b. Point b could be uphill, downhill, to right, to the left. Its just going from 1 thing to another thing.
Is it still a falsehood.
Who cares what creationists make out of anything?
I'm sure somebody does
Mules can be fertile, In fact all cross breeds have been known to produce fertile offspring. It is just a low percentage.
As for the OP, it is awesome that there are now three distinct human populations that co-existed in the early Pleistocene. The paper is going to be subjected to a lot of nitpicking and analysis as the months go on. I'm prepared to see the lumpers and splitters go head to head over the whole "Homo erectus or not?" issue. 
There was an earlier paper on the Denisovans here and the recent paper is here.
eta: I forgot I posted about the X-Woman here too.
There was an earlier paper on the Denisovans here and the recent paper is here.
eta: I forgot I posted about the X-Woman here too.
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angellous_evangellous
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Well I'd rather pee on one than hear them talk.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
As for the OP, it is awesome that there are now three distinct human populations that co-existed in the early Pleistocene. The paper is going to be subjected to a lot of nitpicking and analysis as the months go on. I'm prepared to see the lumpers and splitters go head to head over the whole "Homo erectus or not?" issue.
There was an earlier paper on the Denisovans here and the recent paper is here.
You said erectus.
Can't you ever take this stuff seriously?
As I stated, you defined it as intelligence and I corrected your misinterpretation of "progress" in evolution.
So a change in genetic variation would be "progress" by your definiton. Evolution meets your silly (and somewhat incomprehensible defintion though I'll play along)definition of "progress"- why is there any falsehood here?
I'm waiting for these eggheads in their labcoats and pocket protectors to discover Homo clitoris....
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
There is not a distinct line between man and the rest of the animal kingdom, in fact, it is a very wuzzy line
a very wuzzy line
and it's getting wuzzier
all the time
Goodall, from SOS Unbroken Thread
a very wuzzy line
and it's getting wuzzier
all the time
Goodall, from SOS Unbroken Thread
Sure, but the journey need not be smooth, it need not be a constant pace, and it need always even be in the same direction. As an analogy, I am on my way home from work. I am making good time on the highway till I get in a traffic jam, then I practically stop, moving very slowly. There is construction and I have to make a detour. Then I decide to stop at the store and pick up some groceries. Then I get home. Regardless of the route I still get from point A to point B.
Likewise the idea that we may have interbred with other closely related species does not change the fact that we have evolved from a common ancestor. Our evolutionary path may not be as straight as once thought, but it is still an evolutionary path.