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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I don't believe the dating of those cities. Period.
Sorry, but if you want to claim that the dating is wrong the burden of proof is upon you.

And anyone that claims that the Noah and his magic boat story is real are also claiming that God is a liar. Why do you believe that God is a liar? And don't say that you don't. You can't have it both ways.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Sorry, but if you want to claim that the dating is wrong the burden of proof is upon you.

And anyone that claims that the Noah and his magic boat story is real are also claiming that God is a liar. Why do you believe that God is a liar? And don't say that you don't. You can't have it both ways.
No the burden of proof that dating can be and often is wrong is there.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Not in question by the experts.
Not contradicting that but so far it's an unproven statement about the dating of artifacts outside the establishment of the city of Damascus beyond approximately 3000 BCE. If you can provide the dating proof I'm willing to look at it. Not an estimate but the exact process. Thanks.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
No, there really is not. You could try to post some and I could tell you why your source was lying to you.
Oh why don't you? Because...you don't want to or because you don't really know, which is it? Or because you believe what the compendium of scientists say. Three choices.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Not contradicting that but so far it's an unproven statement about the dating of artifacts outside the establishment of the city of Damascus beyond approximately 3000 BCE. If you can provide the dating proof I'm willing to look at it. Not an estimate but the exact process. Thanks.
They may have used carbon dating. That would be well within carbon dating's accuracy range and it is highly reliable. All you they would need to do is find some leftover charcoal from an old firepit.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Oh why don't you? Because...you don't want to or because you don't really know, which is it? Or because you believe what the compendium of scientists say. Three choices.
Since scientists tend to be highly reliable when it comes to ages like this, as I just told you C14 dating is probably how it was determined, then there would be no valid doubt about it.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Sorry, but if you want to claim that the dating is wrong the burden of proof is upon you.

The burden of proof that the dating is right for those items found outside the city and therefore means people existed nearby for 10,000 years or so ago is on those claiming such. Like you.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
They may have used carbon dating. That would be well within carbon dating's accuracy range and it is highly reliable. All you they would need to do is find some leftover charcoal from an old firepit.
They MAY HAVE? You don't know?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
They MAY HAVE? You don't know?
Do I need to know every scientific fact? If I find a reasonable claim that is posted by various sites then I do not have a problem with it.

Jericho may be even older, but it may not have been continually inhabited. It dates to over 9,000 BCE and that was done with carbon dating:

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At any rate, the reason that we know that there never was a flood of Noah is because such an event would have left massive evidence and there is none.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Since scientists tend to be highly reliable when it comes to ages like this, as I just told you C14 dating is probably how it was determined, then there would be no valid doubt about it.
Probably determined? You don't know, but you think it's right, right?
Since scientists tend to be highly reliable when it comes to ages like this, as I just told you C14 dating is probably how it was determined, then there would be no valid doubt about it.
In other words, you take their word for it and cannot personally explain it. Ok.
Do I need to know every scientific fact? If I find a reasonable claim that is posted by various sites then I do not have a problem with it.

Jericho may be even older, but it may not have been continually inhabited. It dates to over 9,000 BCE and that was done with carbon dating:

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At any rate, the reason that we know that there never was a flood of Noah is because such an event would have left massive evidence and there is none.
If you're going to present what "science" claims to someone like me, and you persist in it as if it's true then yes, you'd have to show what's behind the opinions about dates. If you can't do that, that's the way it is and as I said, I'm not taking your word for it, or science's word unless the "proof" -- ok, opinions -- can be detailed. I mean "they" -- scientists -- figured Pluto was a planet for a long time, right? Then they decided it was not. Meantime I'm not taking it as true that the artifacts outside the city show that people were around there 10,000 BCE or thereabouts. Because...as I explained, I do not go along with the accuracy of their dating. How they did it. Same with Lucy, another stellar way of saying she was a humanoid. No brain much but then I hear she didn't need a brain like homo "sapiens" do. Sorry, but I am not buying it . I used to and you obviously feel free to, I no longer believe the assumptions about her and/or some presumed common ancestor of humans and gorillas and monkeys, etc. Same with Damascus and the artifacts they claim to be dating back according to scientists 10,000 years ago or more. I have explained why and it is entwined with the lack of explanation regarding the precise dating method for those particular things.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Probably determined? You don't know, but you think it's right, right?

Oh my. Yes, we do know. It is highly reliable. It is not as if they are relying on the fairly tales form a book full of myths. The concepts can be tested and confirmed.

In other words, you take their word for it and cannot personally explain it. Ok.

No, I can explain it. Do you want to go over radiometric dating and why we know it to be highly reliable when done correctly?

If you're going to present what "science" claims to someone like me, and you persist in it as if it's true then yes, you'd have to show what's behind the opinions about dates. If you can't do that, that's the way it is and as I said, I'm not taking your word for it, or science's word unless the "proof" -- ok, opinions -- can be detailed. I mean "they" -- scientists -- figured Pluto was a planet for a long time, right? Then they decided it was not. Meantime I'm not taking it as true that the artifacts outside the city show that people were around there 10,000 BCE or thereabouts. Because...as I explained, I do not go along with the accuracy of their dating. How they did it. Same with Lucy, another stellar way of saying she was a humanoid. No brain much but then I hear she didn't need a brain like homo "sapiens" do. Sorry, but I am not buying it . I used to and you obviously feel free to, I no longer believe the assumptions about her and/or some presumed common ancestor of humans and gorillas and monkeys, etc. Same with Damascus and the artifacts they claim to be dating back according to scientists 10,000 years ago or more. I have explained why and it is entwined with the lack of explanation regarding the precise dating method for those particular things.

If you want to complain then you need to be willing to learn. I will gladly go over the basics of science with you. but if you refuse to learn then you are in no position to demand evidence. That would be acting like a child. And we would probably just pat you on the head and assure you that we do know.



You could understand how these concepts and measurements are valid, but it appears that you are unwilling to learn.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Oh my. Yes, we do know. It is highly reliable. It is not as if they are relying on the fairly tales form a book full of myths. The concepts can be tested and confirmed.



No, I can explain it. Do you want to go over radiometric dating and why we know it to be highly reliable when done correctly?



If you want to complain then you need to be willing to learn. I will gladly go over the basics of science with you. but if you refuse to learn then you are in no position to demand evidence. That would be acting like a child. And we would probably just pat you on the head and assure you that we do know.



You could understand how these concepts and measurements are valid, but it appears that you are unwilling to learn.
It appears you are unwilling to demonstrate, and provide absolute pertinent information about your beliefs. But I have come to realize that by now. Thanks -
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Oh my. Yes, we do know. It is highly reliable. It is not as if they are relying on the fairly tales form a book full of myths. The concepts can be tested and confirmed.



No, I can explain it. Do you want to go over radiometric dating and why we know it to be highly reliable when done correctly?



If you want to complain then you need to be willing to learn. I will gladly go over the basics of science with you. but if you refuse to learn then you are in no position to demand evidence. That would be acting like a child. And we would probably just pat you on the head and assure you that we do know.



You could understand how these concepts and measurements are valid, but it appears that you are unwilling to learn.
I don't need the "basics" of science from you. I am asking for information (not proof of course, science doesn't give proof, is that right?) concerning the dating veracity of the artifacts found outside of Damascus. So far you have simply stated in essence that you believe what scientists say about that because...you believe their dating process is accurate. But provide no information about it, how they dated these things. Not all things. Those things they found. Outside Damascus.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
@Subduction Zone particularly regarding Pluto...yes. no. Maybe. And that's now. Because they (scientists) say, "Dwarf planets are smaller planets that do not meet all three categories of a planet. " What was yesterday may not be so today, by that I don't mean a 24 hour day...:)https://phys.org/news/2022-08-pluto-planet-longer.html
What does this have to do with anything? Yes, the word "Planet" was defined more accurately. That meant that Pluto no longer is classified as a planet. Why does that change anything at all?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It appears you are unwilling to demonstrate, and provide absolute pertinent information about your beliefs. But I have come to realize that by now. Thanks -
No, you simply cannot ask proper questions nor do you have the education to understand the answers given to you.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I don't need the "basics" of science from you. I am asking for information (not proof of course, science doesn't give proof, is that right?) concerning the dating veracity of the artifacts found outside of Damascus. So far you have simply stated in essence that you believe what scientists say about that because...you believe their dating process is accurate. But provide no information about it, how they dated these things. Not all things. Those things they found. Outside Damascus.
Why not? You need to learn the basics from somebody. I do not see anyone else offering to help you. There is no point in giving you the information when you refuse to understand it. When you refuse to learn the basics of science and then demand evidence you are being hypocritical.
 
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