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Iranian Woman Beats Up Cleric
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Good.
We're a violent bunch, ain't we?
Shuddhasattva
Well-Known Member
Meh. I don't condone what was obviously a fairly brutal attack.
But perhaps our cultural relativists will denounce him as provoking independent women to assault clergy?
In all seriousness, my first reaction was to say "**** yes!" and fist-pump, but then I reconsidered.
I'd have felt better about it if she just decked him rather than putting him in the hospital. That's going a bit far - though I can understand why.
But perhaps our cultural relativists will denounce him as provoking independent women to assault clergy?
In all seriousness, my first reaction was to say "**** yes!" and fist-pump, but then I reconsidered.
I'd have felt better about it if she just decked him rather than putting him in the hospital. That's going a bit far - though I can understand why.
Amechania
Daimona of the Helpless
She had probably had enough. It was a statement. All the years of having to endure the unjust oppression of men without balls became too much to bear. She snapped, and kicked his ***. If more Muslim women did that, I dare say there wouldn't quite be so much horses**t from that part of the world.
Alceste
Vagabond
I can think of a hundred better ways to get that job done.
Amechania
Daimona of the Helpless
Sure. In the West she could have simply told him to **** off and gone about her business, which she attempted to do. Put yourself in her world. She has no rights. She is property. She must defer to any man, no matter whether he is a stranger, no matter how low her opinion of him, simply because she was born without a penis.
It's probably the equivalent of being called a God-hating whore in our culture.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
she obviously didnt take it too kindly lol
I noticed the article said that her reply to him was "you cover your eyes"
I just dont get why a woman must also cover her entire face...covering the hair and body is one thing, but covering the eyes is just overboard. Its like saying to someone "how dare you show your face in public" ... as if there is something shameful about you as a person. It must be very difficult to be confronted with such an attitude by your own kinsmen.
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Shuddhasattva
Well-Known Member
I don't think so. I'm sure she could have, and perhaps should have, interpreted it as such, but in Islamic society a man, particularly an ulama, has a perfect right - and duty, obligation - to correct the lax dress of others particularly women.
Please note that I am by no means justifying it.
Amechania
Daimona of the Helpless
Of course not. Where in Islam does a woman have a right to free speech?So violence is a legitimate response to free speech now?
Quote the Quran and the Hadiths all you like, but I'm asking practically. If you did not have the right to speak freely, what would be your response? Violence? That's what my forbears did, and I am damn proud of them.
So violence is a legitimate response to free speech now?
Iran...freedom of speech? Ahahahahahahahah
Facepalm so hard only an octopus can do it
No, but I'm shallow & petty enuf to enjoy this rare & wonderful backlash.So violence is a legitimate response to free speech now?
Bear in mind that in such countries, his accusation normally portends violence against her,
either by mob or government. While not strictly being self defense, it smells strongly of it.
And at last the cleric survived to possibly learn the lesson of MYOB.
("MYOB" is "mind yer own bizness"....not "make your own bed" or "Mystic yells obscene ballads".)
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If the incident happened as presented, i think she obviously took him as a symbol to the oppression that is happening there. Her reaction is like that of one whose had enough, and she simply lashed out at him for his strong relation to the very things that make her life difficult.
I think what she did was wrong, at least generally, for more than one reason. He might have not directly ever oppressed a woman in his life. He might be a nice guy who is simply an idiot and has some ridiculous ideas. He obviously also did not attack her or threaten her physically in anyway. The point is she doesn't know him, and he didn't do anything to warrant getting beaten to the point of being hospitalized. Taking him as a symbol to all that is happening to her is a little unfair.
However, being a cleric, he also indirectly contributes to the oppression that is happening there. He has a small role in a big scheme that contributes to what is happening to her. People like him are those who spew the kind of ideas which are making life difficult for women. He also said something completely inappropriate, to put it lightly, and when she told him off in a manner that made it obvious that she won't have any of his nonsense, his reaction was to say exactly what he did just before she showed him her state of mind, in essence, in my opinion enforcing his own state of mind and mentality, of being completely within his rights and limits to tell her something like that.
What he is and what he did, which are both glaring representations of what is happening to her, makes me more than understand her reaction, despite thinking that it's over the top.
So in the end, considering the outrageous things that are enforced on women there, and his role in that, my feelings are quite simply that i'm glad he got his *** kicked and think that she's totally awesome for doing that. She basically did the kind of wrong that i can't help but both understand and with a smidge of shame, like.
I think what she did was wrong, at least generally, for more than one reason. He might have not directly ever oppressed a woman in his life. He might be a nice guy who is simply an idiot and has some ridiculous ideas. He obviously also did not attack her or threaten her physically in anyway. The point is she doesn't know him, and he didn't do anything to warrant getting beaten to the point of being hospitalized. Taking him as a symbol to all that is happening to her is a little unfair.
However, being a cleric, he also indirectly contributes to the oppression that is happening there. He has a small role in a big scheme that contributes to what is happening to her. People like him are those who spew the kind of ideas which are making life difficult for women. He also said something completely inappropriate, to put it lightly, and when she told him off in a manner that made it obvious that she won't have any of his nonsense, his reaction was to say exactly what he did just before she showed him her state of mind, in essence, in my opinion enforcing his own state of mind and mentality, of being completely within his rights and limits to tell her something like that.
What he is and what he did, which are both glaring representations of what is happening to her, makes me more than understand her reaction, despite thinking that it's over the top.
So in the end, considering the outrageous things that are enforced on women there, and his role in that, my feelings are quite simply that i'm glad he got his *** kicked and think that she's totally awesome for doing that. She basically did the kind of wrong that i can't help but both understand and with a smidge of shame, like.