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Iraq
- Thread starter Storm
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jacobweymouth
Active Member
This thread is a spinnoff from another. Below is from that conversation. I don't think anyone will mind jumping to this because we'd end up here anyway.
Correct. We created a battlefield to openly fight them. We won.
Correct. We created a battlefield to openly fight them. We won.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Actually, what sparked this thread was your post in the Conservative Only forum that "WMDs or not, Saddam had to go." (Since you quoted me, I'm assuming you don't mind me quoting you.) Hence the questions in the OP.
To that, I have to ask, does it not give you pause that our leaders deceived us? ETA: Or do you not believe that they did?
To that, I have to ask, does it not give you pause that our leaders deceived us? ETA: Or do you not believe that they did?
jacobweymouth
Active Member
Well, either way, that would have come up
I don't believe they deceived us. We weren't the only ones with the intel.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Symbolic of what? I'll grant that they're progress, but I can't see them as a victory.
But it wasn't their backyard - that's Afghanistan. We diverted resources from that fight to attack the neighbor.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
jacobweymouth
Active Member
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
From? Iraq wasn't threatening us, wasn't even in a position to threaten us.
jacobweymouth
Active Member
Al Quieda's resources.
That the Brits, the Italians, even the Nigerians had intel that Saddam was trying to aquire yellow cake.
kai
ragamuffin
I supported it then and i support it now.
I beleived Saddam had WMDs and i supported regime change. I was relieved that there were no WMDs. I beleive Saddam enjoyed the projection that he had WMDs and i think he sustained that idea because he was far more scared of Iran than the west.
I am proud of mine and my countries part in creating an environment where the elections yesterday could take place.
BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Obama praises peaceful Iraq polls
Yes Alqueda came to Iraq and took up the fight, they will go anywhere to fight , it took the Iraqis some time to see AlQuedas true colours but they did.
I beleived Saddam had WMDs and i supported regime change. I was relieved that there were no WMDs. I beleive Saddam enjoyed the projection that he had WMDs and i think he sustained that idea because he was far more scared of Iran than the west.
I am proud of mine and my countries part in creating an environment where the elections yesterday could take place.
BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Obama praises peaceful Iraq polls
Yes Alqueda came to Iraq and took up the fight, they will go anywhere to fight , it took the Iraqis some time to see AlQuedas true colours but they did.
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jacobweymouth
Active Member
I'll come back on the morrow
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McBell
Unbound
That depends upon what you mean by support.
I did not support the decision to invade Iraq.
There was no reason too.
Especially considering the fact that every other day there was yet another reason to go that did not pan out to be true.
Bush's hand picked investigative team found absolutely no connection between Saddam and Bin Laden. Yet Bush still claimed there was.
Then to find out that Al Quada did not exist in Iraq until AFTER the US invaded....
Interesting it is the number of people who cling to ignorance in order to justify the unjust invasion.
However, I do support the troops.
McBell
Unbound
Unfortunately many people support their illegal activities as well.
kai
ragamuffin
Hi Mestemia
do you infer the whole invasion was illegal or are you referring to certain incidents? I understand the Illegal war argument( but don't want to get into all that again) but i don't think anyone can really justify illegal acts on the ground can they?.
the following is not directed at you personally but i have a query.
I find it interesting that people can and do say they think the war was illegal but still support the troops, would they say they support the police if they thought they were doing something illegal? or yes i think the CIA does a great job even though they may be acting illegally? I wonder how that works really?
would i be out of order if i thought some people only say that because they feel they should? or that they would face criticism to say i don't support the troops because i believe they are acting illegally. would it feel unpatriotic?
would it not be a brave man or woman to stand up and say NO i dont support one iota of the whole thing because i sincerely beleive its all ilegal?
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Iraq had nothing to do with Al Quieda until after we've invaded. You remember the Taliban and Osama bin Laden, don't you? Why aren't they defeated and dead, yet? Because we were playing around in Iraq instead of fighting the relevant enemy.
kai
ragamuffin
I suggest you will be fighting Alqueda based groups wherever you are, and the reason they are not defeated yet is because they are based in Pakistan.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
do actions that help create more terrorists and help spread their operations further abroad honestly help combat terrorism?
kai
ragamuffin
that depends what makes an individual become a terrorist , i think someone who is idealogically inclined to join Alqueda will walk all the way to afghanistan or Iraq join his jihad.
We " create " terrorists all the time by invading Iraq , by invading Afghanistan, by supporting the state of Israel , theres hundreds of resons why ,
Al-Qa'ida supports Muslim fighters in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Tajikistan, Somalia, Yemen, and Kosovo. It also trains members of terrorist organizations from such diverse countries as the Philippines, Algeria, and Eritrea.
Al-Qa'ida's goal is to "unite all Muslims and to establish a government which follows the rule of the Caliphs." Bin Laden has stated that the only way to establish the Caliphate is by force. Al-Qa'ida's goal, therefore, is to overthrow nearly all Muslim governments, which are viewed as corrupt, to drive Western influence from those countries, and eventually to abolish state boundaries.
Al Qaeda Al Queda
Issued statement under banner of the World Islamic Front for Jihad Against the Jews and Crusaders in February 1998, saying it was the duty of all Muslims to kill US citizenscivilian or militaryand their allies everywhere. Merged with Egyptian Islamic Jihad (Al-Jihad) in June 2001.
you will notice thats pre Iraq