Irish Nuns discarding children

[Altfish]

Are there no depths to which these supposedly pious people will not sink to?

Remains of young children and babies found in sewage chambers at Tuam mother and baby home

If this as done by non-religious people we would never hear the last of it. Already the apologists are appearing. Father Fintan Monaghan, a Catholic Church official whose archdiocese included that region, told reporters: "I suppose we can’t really judge the past from our point of view, from our lens. All we can do is mark it appropriately and make sure there is a suitable place here where people can come and remember the babies that died.”

Pathetic

 

[Rival]

I disagree with "If this was done by non-religious people we would never hear the last of it." That simply isn't the attitude in this country. I know far more atheists who actively dislike religion than vice-versa, so I'm not sure where you're taking this from. Most people in the UK expect this of religious folks. The attitude is 'I'm not surprised'.

This is a terrible crime and it doesn't really matter who did it. It's terrible either way.

 

[Father Heathen]

Well of course The Church is going to loudly denounce and condemn the sins of others while quietly downplaying and dismissing their own.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

This will most certainly tarnish the reputation of Irish Catholic Nuns as sweet, compassionate lovers of children.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This will most certainly tarnish the reputation of Irish Catholic Nuns as sweet, compassionate lovers of children.

I'm not sure anyone ever had that view of nuns. They're usually stereotyped as strict disciplinarians.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I'm not sure anyone ever had that view of nuns. They're usually stereotyped as strict disciplinarians.

Sorry, I assumed the sarcasm tags weren't required.

 

[Jainarayan]

This will most certainly tarnish the reputation of Irish Catholic Nuns as sweet, compassionate lovers of children.

Sister Mary Frances O'Drillsergeant from the Sisters of So-Help-Me-God Convent was anything but sweet.

 

[Jainarayan]

I'm not sure anyone ever had that view of nuns. They're usually stereotyped as strict disciplinarians.

Had one in the family. My sister-in-law's (brother's wife) sister was a nun. She was a little tiny bit of a thing who stood on a chair to slap the face of a 6+' teenager in her class who got smart with her. He said he'd bring his equally large father in to talk to her. She said she'd get on the chair and slap his face too. I swear... you can't make this stuff up when it comes to Cat'lic nuns.

 

[metis]

I swear... you can't make this stuff up when it comes to Cat'lic nuns.

Much like Hindu's, Catholic nuns aren't all the same by any means.

BTW, I had a meeting yesterday with two Dominican sisters (nuns) over the issue of climate change and the Pope's encycical. Some of the nicest people I have ever met in my life were nuns, so please do not stereotype them.

 

[Jainarayan]

Much like Hindu's, Catholic nuns aren't all the same by any means.

BTW, I had a meeting yesterday with two Dominican sisters (nuns) over the issue of climate change and the Pope's encycical. Some of the nicest people I have ever met in my life were nuns, so please do not stereotype them.

Umm... it was a joke. Too many people gettin' butthurt and gettin' their jimmies rustled anymore.

Actually it wasn't a joke, it was a true story.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I disagree with "If this was done by non-religious people we would never hear the last of it." That simply isn't the attitude in this country. I know far more atheists who actively dislike religion than vice-versa, so I'm not sure where you're taking this from. Most people in the UK expect this of religious folks. The attitude is 'I'm not surprised'.

Here, pretty much, the religious would have apologetics and people trying to hush it and just dismissing them as "not a real Christian," but if an atheist did it there would be a zealous lust for vengeance not felt since the witch trials were in full swing.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

So let me see if I understand this. . . .

This thread is not about about the fact that 800 children were killed, instead it is about using the deaths of 800 children to make religion/the church look bad?

 

[Maponos]

Do we even know why they did it? It's not perfect, but sometimes some people have to make extremely difficult situations.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So let me see if I understand this. . . .

This thread is not about about the fact that 800 children were killed, instead it is about using the deaths of 800 children to make religion/the church look bad?

They weren't killed, they died of disease. I still question the figure. I saw some articles questioning that number. I'll try to find them.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

They weren't killed, they died of disease. I still question the figure. I saw some articles questioning that number. I'll try to find them.

Well, just as long was we can still use the deaths of these children too bash religion.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

They weren't killed, they died of disease. I still question the figure. I saw some articles questioning that number. I'll try to find them.

Do you have a source verifying this claim I could read? Something like a link that mentions any autopsies carried out?

Also, if these babies died of something as fairly natural as disease - as opposed to... I dunno... neglect? - why were they not buried in a marked grave?

Do we even know why they did it? It's not perfect, but sometimes some people have to make extremely difficult situations.

No, we don't know. But if a stridently pro-life organisation - which campaigns against 'murdering unborn babies' - buries born babies in an unmarked mass grave I don't think it unreasonable to assume there was something sinister or at the very least untoward going on. Particularly in light of emerging knowledge of how other Catholic institutions in Ireland treated social outcasts like women who had children out of wedlock such as Magdalene Laundries.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Do you have a source verifying this claim I could read? Something like a link that mentions any autopsies carried out?

Also, if these babies died of something as fairly natural as disease - as opposed to... I dunno... neglect? - why were they not buried in a marked grave?




No, we don't know. But if a stridently pro-life organisation - which campaigns against 'murdering unborn babies' - buries born babies in an unmarked mass grave I don't think it unreasonable to assume there was something sinister or at the very least untoward going on. Particularly in light of emerging knowledge of how other Catholic institutions in Ireland treated social outcasts like women who had children out of wedlock such as Magdalene Laundries.

This may help clarify what happened:

AP: Parts Of Irish 'Mass Graves' Story Exaggerated By Media

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

This may help clarify what happened:

AP: Parts Of Irish 'Mass Graves' Story Exaggerated By Media

Nice, thank you

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This may help clarify what happened:

AP: Parts Of Irish 'Mass Graves' Story Exaggerated By Media

Thanks. That was the article I was thinking about.

 

[Skwim]

This may help clarify what happened:

AP: Parts Of Irish 'Mass Graves' Story Exaggerated By Media

The correction issued by the AP

"After our June 18 report on baptismal certificates recorded in Tuam, I [Kevin Clarke] queried the Associated Press regarding their stories on the Tuam Mothers and Babies Home.

Today AP issued the following correction:

Ireland-Children’s Mass Graves story

DUBLIN (AP) — In stories published June 3 and June 8 about young children buried in unmarked graves after dying at a former Irish orphanage for the children of unwed mothers, The Associated Press incorrectly reported that the children had not received Roman Catholic baptisms; documents show that many children at the orphanage were baptized. The AP also incorrectly reported that Catholic teaching at the time was to deny baptism and Christian burial to the children of unwed mothers; although that may have occurred in practice at times it was not church teaching. In addition, in the June 3 story, the AP quoted a researcher who said she believed that most of the remains of children who died there were interred in a disused septic tank; the researcher has since clarified that without excavation and forensic analysis it is impossible to know how many sets of remains the tank contains, if any. The June 3 story also contained an incorrect reference to the year that the orphanage opened; it was 1925, not 1926.
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So the AP misstatements were that

1) The children had not received Roman Catholic baptisms.
2) Catholic teaching at the time was to deny baptism and Christian burial to the children of unwed mothers
3) A researcher believed that most of the remains were interred in a disused septic tank
4) The orphanage was opened in 1925, not 1926.​

"Exaggerations by the media"? More like simple mistakes.


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