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Irony of the evolutionary belief

Starting off with a quote from Science Daily which states that a scientific method is based on "the collection of data through observation and experimentation", the entire movie fixates on the word "observable" in this quote, and a person interviews scientists and students on the street, pushing a microphone up their face, demanding immediate "on the spot" observable evidence for evolution - which they obviously fail to take out from their pockets right there and then.

Its obvious for the rational audience that all interviews are extremely likely to have been edited in such a way as to constantly regurgitate the same belief: that there is no observable proof for the evolutionary process since we can't observe monkeys turning into humans overnight. This is off course what the religious community wants to reiterate,and it's their right to do so, however, putting the complete lack of understanding in evolution aside, its obvious the producer Ray Comfort is biased and makes little attempt to truthfully depict both sides of the argument. We see nothing but choppy segments where the person's argument is interrupted by the interviewer, or the movie cuts to a different scene - constantly prohibiting the viewers to be presented with the scientific side of the argument.

When examples of how evolution is observable is given, the interviewer states an oversimplified version of the argument which can not be mistaken for anything else but a total lack of desire from the interviewer to comprehend what is being said.

Furthermore, the interviewer constantly suggests that the conviction in evolution is itself a faith because he constantly asks if they BELIEVE in evolution, making no distinction between a belief in facts and a supernatural one.

If you're on the search of evidence for evolution, then do so, but make no mistake, there is no substance to this movie what so ever.

Ray Comfort (aka The banana man) is back with yet another disappointedly impotent 'critique' of Darwinian evolution. Apart from the numerous occasions of quote mining and selective editing of interviews throughout the film he has repeated his banana fiasco with both a lack of understanding of both science and evidence.

Firstly, the film makes a false dichotomy between 'God' and Evolution. The theory of evolution, like all scientific explanations is methodologically neutral and naturalistic; to make it a conflict between God and science is deceptive and unwise.

Throughout the film, Comfort interviews a series of professors and college majors and frequently asks if any of them can present 'testable', 'observable' evidence of change from one 'kind' to 'another'. They give examples of speciation but demands they show a change of 'kind'. He doesn't even define 'kind. Creationists have been unable to specify what the created kinds are. If kinds were distinct, it should be easy to distinguish between them. Instead, we find a nested hierarchy of similarities, with kinds within kinds within kinds. For example, the twelve-spotted ladybug could be placed in the twelve- spotted ladybug kind, the ladybug kind, the beetle kind, the insect kind, or any of dozens of other kinds of kind, depending on how inclusive the kind is. No matter where one sets the cutoff for how inclusive a kind is, there will be many groups just bordering on that cutoff. This pattern exactly matches the pattern expected of evolution. It does not match what creationism predicts.

Comfort lacks any elementary knowledge of biology. He asks for changes overnight that modern biologists observe after millions of years. He is easily refuted by transitional fossils such as Tiktaalik (which shows primitive fish becoming amphibians) as well as Archaeopteryx (transition between dinosaurs and birds), which show a change from 'one kind to another'. In fact paleontologists argue whether some intermediates are for instance, reptile-like mammals or mammal-like reptiles; this means there is a multitude of intermediates dicovered.

He ignorantly dismisses Darwin's finches as 'birds remaining birds' and the Lenski experiment as 'bacteria still becoming bacteria'; using the same ignorant excuse of 'created kinds'. Although major changes from one 'kind' to another do not normally happen, except gradually over hundreds of thousands of generations, a sudden origin of a new kind has been observed. A strain of cancerous human cells (called HeLa cells) have evolved to become a wild unicellular life form (Van Valen and Maiorana 1991).

The film also says that evolutionists claim the appendix is useless because they call it 'vestigial'. This is ludicrous. "Vestigial" does not mean an organ is useless. A vestige is a "trace or visible sign left by something lost or vanished". Vestigial organs are evidence for evolution because we expect evolutionary changes to be imperfect as creatures evolve to adopt new niches. Creationism cannot explain vestigial organs. They are evidence against creationism if the creator follows a basic design principle that form follows function.The appendix appears as part of the tissues of the digestive system; it is homologous to the end of the mammalian caecum. Since it does not function as part of the digestive system, it is a vestigial part of that system, no matter what other functions it may have.

The film equates an acceptance of evolution with immorality and purposely edits and selectively quotes the interviewees. However, it is a great introduction to the terrible arguments that creationists push to achieve their agenda.

Ray presents the worst of the worst arguments to try and convince strangers with gas lighting techniques that a god is real. The arguments for a god are terrible and the arguments that his god is real are even worse. It really only seems he wants to convince the people on the street that evolution is a myth without "observable" evidence while trying to prove his god is real despite no observable evidence of his own. It's common misleading arguments to try and make everyone but himself look stupid. I can only imagine this was the best 30 minutes of footage he could use and there must be several hours of arguments against him he refused to include. It comes off as a smug "holier than thou" attitude that will only convince non god believers to continue to not believe.

There's no point in appealing to debates which ended in a dead rubber stale mate. I'm just waiting to see a single shred of evidence to expose Ray Comfort. I guess I'll be waiting forever :)
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
The theory of evolution has nothing to do with adaptation to ones environment.

You mean, aside from the fact that evolution is literally exactly that?

:shrug:

The theory of evolution asserts that, one species evolves into another species.

Well yeah, it's an inevitable result of the accumulation of "adaptions".
Also, just to clarify: not so much "another" species as it is a "subspecies".

It's not like cats will evolve into dogs.

Creationist reject that theory because no evidence has ever been presented to support that theory.

You mean, aside from all the evidence that was collected over the past 2 centuries and details in +300.000 scientific papers on the topic?
 
What "gaping hole" are you talking about?


No idea what this has to do with evolution.
It's simple, the gaping hole is the lack of any evidence. Ray Comfort asked for evidence and the professor admitted that no evidence exists and evolution is a faith based religion with no foundation in reality. There's the gaping hole :):):)
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
There's no point in exhibiting items of evidence, to those who are not qualified to examine and evaluate ancient forensic evidence. It would be like showing am encrypted half page long Microsoft Excel program, to an Aborigine from 500 years ago and expecting him to evaluate it and write a peer paper to correctly explain it's function.

We have highly qualified historians and associated experts, who have revealed their findings but one needs to be educated in the field in order to critically evaluate their findings. It's not wise to dismiss something based on ones emotions or feelings.
My irony meter just went nuclear
 

McBell

Unbound
It's simple, the gaping hole is the lack of any evidence.
I have asked already and never got a reply.
Which version of "evolution" are you using?

Ray Comfort asked for evidence and the professor admitted that no evidence exists and evolution is a faith based religion with no foundation in reality.
When did this happen?
I sincerely hope you are not going to claim the quote mine in his "documentary" you linked a part of,
 

McBell

Unbound
I didn't see the missing link because it doesn't exist, but I'll sell everything I own and hand the money over to the wise guy who finds it
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leroy

Well-Known Member
I really have no need of finding another source. It is pretty hard to beat Sean Carroll when he makes a claim. Plus your demand is disingenuous. Say I found the source of it. Do you seriously think that you could refute it? I am very sure that you could not understand it. But then I do not think that I could understand it either. The math is going to be some very upper level stuff.
In fact my hypothesis is that you are misinterpreting Sean Carol . That is why I am asking for a source.
 
Kent?
Kent Hovind?
Is that you?
No, the last time I heard that dude was living in a trailer park. He done 10 years prison for stepping on the toes of the pseudo scientists, they wanted to make an example of him. See you're not allowed to challenge pseudo science, so I have to tip toe around their strawman
 

McBell

Unbound
No, the last time I heard that dude was living in a trailer park. He done 10 years prison for stepping on the toes of the pseudo scientists, they wanted to make an example of him. See you're not allowed to challenge pseudo science, so I have to tip toe around their strawman
Wow.
You are wrong much more often than you are right.
He was convicted of tax evasion.
So his imprisonment had nothing to do with his pseudoscience.

Hovind is associated with the Unregistered Baptist Fellowship (UBF), a loosely affiliated group of roughly 100 churches which share a "theology of Christian resistance" to civil governments. Because the UBF would consider it an acknowledgement of government authority over the church, they reject the highly favorable 501(c)(3) status, which makes donations tax deductible and exempts them from income tax, but not FICA taxes or employee income tax withholding.[17][18] The UBF holds that governmental authority stops "at the threshold of the church",[18][19] and Hovind has likened his ministry's status to that of the Vatican City State.[20] When the federal government obtained a search warrant in 2004, an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) criminal investigator made the sworn statement that the organization did not have a business license and did not have tax-exempt status.[21]

Hovind was convicted of 58 felony counts in November 2006[22] and sentenced to ten years in prison in January 2007; Eric Hovind took over Creation Science Evangelism.[23] In July 2007, God Quest Inc. was incorporated with Eric Hovind as president,[24] and that November, God Quest Inc. filed in Florida to do business under the trade name Creation Science Evangelism.[25] In June 2008, Eric announced that the CSE website would incorporate the CSE blog and change format allowing for "only positive comments" about Hovind and CSE,[26] and in late 2011, Creation Science Evangelism's DrDino.com website was redirected to CreationToday.org.[27] The new website announced "Creation Today is a ministry of God Quest, Inc." with focus on "creation, apologetics and evangelism."[28]

He was also sentenced to a year for domestic violence
 
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You mean, aside from the fact that evolution is literally exactly that?

:shrug:



Well yeah, it's an inevitable result of the accumulation of "adaptions".
Also, just to clarify: not so much "another" species as it is a "subspecies".

It's not like cats will evolve into dogs.



You mean, aside from all the evidence that was collected over the past 2 centuries and details in +300.000 scientific papers on the topic?
Nah, none of that is accurate or credible. You don't even know what the theory of evolution is about. You confirm that by failing to acknowledge that the central thrust of evolution is the transition from one species to another, I shouldn't have to teach you about what you believe and correct you
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
Nah, none of that is accurate or credible. You don't even know what the theory of evolution is about. You confirm that by failing to acknowledge that the central thrust of evolution is the transition from one species to another, I shouldn't have to teach you about what you believe and correct you
Teach us. I can't wait to see your in depth analysis and explanation of the science.

Sway us with your acumen. Show us that you are not just another in a long string of deniers of science without apparent knowledge of science that stretch back into time while the science progresses and all benefit.
 

McBell

Unbound
Nah, none of that is accurate or credible. You don't even know what the theory of evolution is about. You confirm that by failing to acknowledge that the central thrust of evolution is the transition from one species to another, I shouldn't have to teach you about what you believe and correct you
Which version of "evolution" you are using?
 

McBell

Unbound
Teach us. I can't wait to see your in depth analysis and explanation of the science.

Sway us with your acumen. Show us that you are not just another in a long string of deniers of science without apparent knowledge of science that stretch back into time while the science progresses and all benefit.
I have flat out asked three times.
Perhaps you will have better luck?
 
I have asked already and never got a reply.
Which version of "evolution" are you using?


When did this happen?
I sincerely hope you are not going to claim the quote mine in his "documentary" you linked a part of,
I appreciate there is no consensus among the pseudo scientists as to what "the theory of evolution" actually claims, so I put all the various theories in the same Luny Bin.

Christian Scientists have proven it to be a fake theory long ago. That professor capitulated when Ray asked him if the missing link has ever been found. He practically admitted that the theory was just fantasy and there was no facts to support it
 
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