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Is a psychopath to blame?

Spiderman

Veteran Member
If I had kids I'd be really worried for them knowing how evil the world is. My heart hurts for a mother I know of who lost her only child to a psychopath who would pretend to be injured to kill people who had compassion and tried to help him. That's right, there are people who are so cold-blooded they will wear a cast or crutches or fake an injury for the purpose of raping, humiliating, torturing, and murdering a kind charitable person for helping them out. For this reason, you might want to discourage your children from being charitable and kind to others. I hate to say it, but that is just how sick the world we live in is. :(

I know what it's like to be selfish, addicted, violent, and a criminal, but even at my worst of moments, I could never delight in harming a person for being compassionate and kind. It's really sad to think there are monsters out there who are that sick, and sometimes those sociopaths are charming, attractive, likeable people.

I'm not in any way saying these people are any less despicable or their behavior in any way excusable, but at the same time, are they really at fault? What I mean is, when a person is that sick and cold-blooded, they clearly have no conscience, and they sometimes can't reason. They are simply following their sick inclinations and depraved nature, and there really isn't any effective help available for them.

To say that they are at fault is to apparently assume that somehow they had it together and knew right from wrong, and chose to be the epitome of evil. I'm just not convinced that is the case. I'm convinced that at least some of these psychopaths/sociopaths are not capable of change, not capable of reasoning, and not capable of compassion, therefore not capable of being anything other than a cold-blooded monster and predator...

Do you agree?
 

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
Depends.

Understanding all means forgiving all..

But having been abused by them I do put all responsibility on them. I am aware that they have a story, but if I know they are willing to hurt me, even to kill me for the hell of it - I cannot be very empathetic while dealing with them.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
therefore not capable of being anything other than a cold-blooded monster and predator...

Do you agree?

I agree that some can't be other than what they are whether or not they're full on monsters. But I also believe that some have a choice about whether or not they're going to act on their most negative impulses.

Most psychopaths are not serial killers or violent. They can even get along just fine with others, and be pleasant to be around.

I also agree with this. But also would add that pleasant to be around does not mean they are not being pleasant as a manipulation.
 

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
I agree that some can't be other than what they are whether or not they're full on monsters. But I also believe that some have a choice about whether or not they're going to act on their most negative impulses.



I also agree with this. But also would add that pleasant to be around does not mean they are not being pleasant as a manipulation.
I get nasty feelings, which could also be called unpleasant, when someone is trying to manipulate me.
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
Everyone should just carry an object on their person that can cause grievous injury, a pen would suffice even lot of damage a pen can do if you know where to stab someone with it. I carry a rated to 6500 lbs carabinear with my keys attached to it. There are a lot of messed up people where ever you are in the world. Better to be prepared for such an encounter than not.

I have witnessed the unpleasant things people do to each other first hand, and it isn't pretty.

Luckily only a few times, but my mind is scarred now, an "argument" that got out of hand in which one person used a brick on another person. Or a guy who didn't get the girl at the club and came up with the bright idea of running over the girl's boyfriend with his motorcycle.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
They are simply following their sick inclinations and depraved nature, and there really isn't any effective help available for them.

To say that they are at fault is to apparently assume that somehow they had it together and knew right from wrong, and chose to be the epitome of evil. I'm just not convinced that is the case. I'm convinced that at least some of these psychopaths/sociopaths are not capable of change, not capable of reasoning, and not capable of compassion, therefore not capable of being anything other than a cold-blooded monster and predator...

Do you agree?
I disagree and believe a manipulative, psychopath person is at fault and responsible for their abusive behavior because their problem is not that they are sick, rather sinful. A depraved nature is not something which just happens to someone. It occurs in increments, step by step, one cruel, self-centered, sinful choice/action after another.and then another, until the person has desensitized their conscience and given themselves over to evil.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I disagree and believe a manipulative, psychopath person is at fault and responsible for their abusive behavior because their problem is not that they are sick, rather sinful.
Psychopaths have a mental disorder just as those with autism, chronic depression, bi-polar disorder, or ADHD.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Psychopaths have a mental disorder just as those with autism, chronic depression, bi-polar disorder, or ADHD.
I'm in total agreement.

As a child I tortured and mutilated small animals and wanted to do that to people.

I look back at those days and am horrified, because I was totally out of my mind and clueless.

Somehow I changed and became compassionate. I think it was a grace from heaven, but whatever the case, I had no clue how disturbing and sick my behavior and outlook was at the time.

I didn't care about the pain of others, and I in fact delighted in it. That's why my childhood was spent mainly in institutions.

I'm so grateful for the gift of compassion that came in my twenties.
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
There is no current cure or treatment for sociopaths, although I think your head trauma may have altered your brain function and "cured" you of it, certainly I would not call jumping off of a building a reliable treatment option, and I think you should have tests done to help doctors better understand, and possibly help others in the future with new data.

Calling it divine providence and moving on with your life, might be helpful to you but it helps no one else.
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
Your unique condition of having survived suicide may indeed help/save other people's lives those who are sociopaths, and their future victims. I'm not in your situation, but I think you have the unique opportunity to help the medical field dispel another mystery of the human psyche.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Your unique condition of having survived suicide may indeed help/save other people's lives those who are sociopaths, and their future victims. I'm not in your situation, but I think you have the unique opportunity to help the medical field dispel another mystery of the human psyche.
Thank! Great advice.

At mental health groups, AA meetings, talking to other inmates and criminals, etc. I have indeed helped or inspired sick deranged people at times, at least they told me so.
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
Thank! Great advice.

At mental health groups, AA meetings, talking to other inmates and criminals, etc. I have indeed helped or inspired sick deranged people at times, at least they told me so.

I'm not talking about that. I'm not saying don't talk to people, surely it does help. But I'm gonna be blunt here and it's not to hurt your feelings either, but you aren't qualified.

Since in your case and the events that transpired gave cause for your once a sociopath prior to your gravity induced event, to not being a sociopath, talk to your doctor have them try to set up a meeting with a neurologist and see if they would be interested in doing some tests.
 
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