is being a woman a sin in islam?

[waitasec]

That you can get vitamin D from food and calcium from milk?

no...the ridiculous notion that muslim countries are ahead in their medical practices...
maybe you over looked these links in #30

I also don't like propaganda. Problems like this exist in ALL religions and cultures, including our own. You don't have to dig very deep in order to find something to use as a demonization of any culture or religion.

i don't know about you but i consider murder wrong...and i don't believe in god or in any religion.

After all, our culture is one that could be demonized as selfish and arrogant, uncaring about the problems of others.

Now... are you criticizing Islamic governments (religious governments have ALWAYS been more problematic than secular ones), or Islam itself? There is a difference.

i have a problem with the subjection of women. period.
weather it be through religious justifications or bigotry itself. one is more ambiguous than the other...
religion, in this case, justifies the subjection of women. that is undeniable.

the western world has evolved in human rights. the eastern world is still lacking in that area if you haven't noticed.
if you are talking about how we are as a western society are selfish and arrogant, i would disagree wholeheartedly. i see the kindness of strangers all the time...people are generally good to one another.

 

[Sajdah]

Believe me, when it comes to threads like this one, I tend to take your guys' side more often than not.

O.K. then I'll leave you to reveal more intentions,in fact you're doing it better than me ...... I see anti-Islam probaganda (Honor killing....etc) appears on the surface!!

 

[beenie]

i was responding to your attempt to change the subject by interjecting this ridiculous notion and you still ignore this is a culture that subjects women and believes it is acceptable for female circumcision...remember, this thread is not about the burqa it can also be about...

child brides
female genitalia mutilation
honor killings (not exclusively but out number male honor killings by far)
all directed and subjected to the female

and since you don't like wiki...maybe nat'l geographic would be sufficient for you

Thousands of Women Killed for Family "Honor"
Hillary Mayell
for National Geographic News
February 12, 2002

Thousands of Women Killed for Family "Honor"

again, cultural, not sanctioned by Islam. honor killings are an abhorrent act indeed, but nowhere is it encouraged in the Qur'an. try again.

Women could endanger their health by wearing burqas

Resurrection of vitamin D deficiency and rickets
here's another one...

Cases Journal | Full text | Severe vitamin D deficiency presenting as hypocalcaemic seizures in a black infant at 45.5 degrees south

assuming there is an ounce of truth behind those articles...smoking is far more harmful; let's ban it too!

also, those articles talk about the possibility of Vitamin deficiency caused by the burqa. i have a friend whose son had rickets...guess what? she doesn't wear the burqa.

i don't know about you but i consider murder wrong...

as do i and every Muslim i know...your point?

i have a problem with the subjection of women. period.
weather it be through religious justifications or bigotry itself. one is more ambiguous than the other...
religion, in this case, justifies the subjection of women. that is undeniable.

the western world has evolved in human rights. the eastern world is still lacking in that area if you haven't noticed.
if you are talking about how we are as a western society are selfish and arrogant, i would disagree wholeheartedly. i see the kindness of strangers all the time...people are generally good to one another.

i agree with you; i hate oppression of women as much as you do. i have yet to find one Muslim man or woman who thinks it's a SIN to be a woman. i'll keep looking though.

 

[waitasec]

O.K. then I'll leave you to reveal more intentions,in fact you're doing it better than me ...... I see anti-Islam probaganda (Honor killing....etc) appears on the surface!!

perhaps you're over looking the obvious issue
here i'll spell it out
HONOR killings


Human Rights Watch defines "honor killings" as follows:
Honor crimes are acts of violence, usually murder, committed by male family members against female family members, who are held to have brought dishonor upon the family. A woman can be targeted by (individuals within) her family for a variety of reasons, including: refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, being the victim of a sexual assault, seeking a divorce — even from an abusive husband — or (allegedly) committing adultery. The mere perception that a woman has behaved in a way that "dishonors" her family is sufficient to trigger an attack on her life.[7]
~wiki

 

[beenie]

perhaps you're over looking the obvious issue
here i'll spell it out
HONOR killings


Human Rights Watch defines "honor killings" as follows:
Honor crimes are acts of violence, usually murder, committed by male family members against female family members, who are held to have brought dishonor upon the family. A woman can be targeted by (individuals within) her family for a variety of reasons, including: refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, being the victim of a sexual assault, seeking a divorce — even from an abusive husband — or (allegedly) committing adultery. The mere perception that a woman has behaved in a way that "dishonors" her family is sufficient to trigger an attack on her life.[7]
~wiki

here, i'll spell it out to YOU:
HONOR KILLINGS=CULTURAL

 

[waitasec]

again, cultural, not sanctioned by Islam. honor killings are an abhorrent act indeed, but nowhere is it encouraged in the Qur'an. try again.

i am trying to be as objective as i can be...
"similar practices have been known since ancient Roman times, when the pater familias, or senior male within a household, retained the right to kill an unmarried but sexually active daughter or an adulterous wife. Europe has been familiar with the practice since ancient empires under Christian and Jewish law in which crimes such as adultery, were punished often with stoning. Such practices has long since ceased to be endemic in North America, although immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East have brought ..."

Honor killing: Encyclopedia II - Honor killing - History

i get that.
but today, what other religion is associated with honor killings?
seems the other religions like christianity and judaism have moved on towards human rights and the islamic culture hasn't budged.

if islam isn't what i think it is then why aren't islamic women and men protesting against the horrific treatment of women in the name of islam?
am i blind to these movements?

assuming there is an ounce of truth behind those articles...smoking is far more harmful; let's ban it too!

you don't live in los angeles, do you

 

[beenie]

i am trying to be as objective as i can be...
"similar practices have been known since ancient Roman times, when the pater familias, or senior male within a household, retained the right to kill an unmarried but sexually active daughter or an adulterous wife. Europe has been familiar with the practice since ancient empires under Christian and Jewish law in which crimes such as adultery, were punished often with stoning. Such practices has long since ceased to be endemic in North America, although immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East have brought ..."

Honor killing: Encyclopedia II - Honor killing - History

i get that.
but today, what other religion is associated with honor killings?
seems the other religions like christianity and judaism have moved on towards human rights and the islamic culture hasn't budged.

if islam isn't what i think it is then why aren't islamic women and men protesting against the horrific treatment of women in the name of islam?
am i blind to these movements?

there are cases of Christian honor killings too, but i don't care; two wrongs don't make a right. honor killings are NEVER right.

i'm not denying that there is a high incidence of honor killings done by Muslims. you're missing the point. these people that do this disgusting act are doing so based on cultural beliefs, NOT Islam. there is nowhere in the Qur'an or Hadith that sanctions honor killings. it makes me sick that some Muslims do this act, but i can't attribute it to Islam, i attribute it to ignorance and illiteracy. i'm hoping as the generations move on, Muslims will also move toward adapting more rights for women; our religion gives them to us, but unfortunately these governments haven't read the Qur'an lately.

you don't live in los angeles, do you

no, but i was being sarcastic anyway.

 

[Sajdah]

perhaps you're over looking the obvious issue
here i'll spell it out
HONOR killings

Waitasec, don't you want to tell us what this thread is about? Burqah (as you call it), repentance, honor killings, the medical conditions of Muslim women who wear Burqah....What exactly? Your OP asks a question, and you got the answer to it from many Muslims and non-Muslims too. Why do you keep raising issues have nothing to do with the verse you post in your OP and have nothing to do with the religion itself? If you want to have an honest argument in a proper way about Islam, I'll be more than happy to talk with an honest and open minded person who respect others!

 

[beenie]

Waitasec, don't you want to tell us what this thread is about? Burqah (as you call it), repentance, honor killings, the medical conditions of Muslim women who wear Burqah....What exactly? Your OP asks a question, and you got the answer to it from many Muslims and non-Muslims too. Why do you keep raising issues have nothing to do with the verse you post in your OP and have nothing to do with the religion itself? If you want to have an honest argument in a proper way about Islam, I'll be more than happy to talk with an honest and open minded person who respect others!

in waitasec's defense, it sounds like all the topics being brought up are women-related...and trying to point out how all these atrocities against women make it a "sin" to be a woman. trust me, these very topics you're bringing up concern me too; i wish i could shake these evil thoughts and actions out of those who do these horrible things...but alas, i'm only one person.

but you're right Sajdah; OP needs to pick one at a time so we can have a dialogue that makes sense.

 

[waitasec]

there are cases of Christian honor killings too, but i don't care; two wrongs don't make a right. honor killings are NEVER right.

are you talking about faith healing?

i'm not denying that there is a high incidence of honor killings done by Muslims. you're missing the point. these people that do this disgusting act are doing so based on cultural beliefs, NOT Islam. there is nowhere in the Qur'an or Hadith that sanctions honor killings. it makes me sick that some Muslims do this act, but i can't attribute it to Islam, i attribute it to ignorance and illiteracy. i'm hoping as the generations move on, Muslims will also move toward adapting more rights for women; our religion gives them to us, but unfortunately these governments haven't read the Qur'an lately.

are there movements in the islamic community that are trying to spread the truth about islam to these lost people?

honor killing are done in america by muslim families (from what i see)
i haven't heard of honor killings done in america in the name of christ
please educate me if i am wrong... i don't want to be this guy :ignore:

would you agree male dominance is pervasive in the muslim culture?

 

[waitasec]

in waitasec's defense, it sounds like all the topics being brought up are women-related...and trying to point out how all these atrocities against women make it a "sin" to be a woman. trust me, these very topics you're bringing up concern me too; i wish i could shake these evil thoughts and actions out of those who do these horrible things...but alas, i'm only one person.

but you're right Sajdah; OP needs to pick one at a time so we can have a dialogue that makes sense.

you got me!!!
lets stick to one topic...i want to learn

 

[waitasec]

Waitasec, don't you want to tell us what this thread is about? Burqah (as you call it), repentance, honor killings, the medical conditions of Muslim women who wear Burqah....What exactly? Your OP asks a question, and you got the answer to it from many Muslims and non-Muslims too. Why do you keep raising issues have nothing to do with the verse you post in your OP and have nothing to do with the religion itself? If you want to have an honest argument in a proper way about Islam, I'll be more than happy to talk with an honest and open minded person who respect others!

well the verse has to do with the covering of the women...and i cannot for the life of me understand how this is justified.

i am trying to understand why is that when i think islam i think of the oppression of women.
i am cuban/american and machismo is a cultural thing i have been exposed to.
my own father wanted to arrange my marriage :areyoucra

the islamic rule over spain that lasted 700 yrs has influenced machismo. spanish men have a similar attitude toward women as the middle eastern culture...you may laugh, but if you spend time around machismo, you'd understand...

 

[Bismillah]

common, i know this is a ridiculous notion (i just wanted to get your attention ), but why was the burqa introduced to islam? seems to me it's about keeping men fron lusting after women...am i being ignorant?

A common cultural practice that has eventually has become associated with Islam.

 

[waitasec]

A common cultural practice that has eventually has become associated with Islam.

i understand it is cultural.
however, it seems women in this culture are brought up believing they are subjected to men and are some how responsible for how men look at them.

 

[Bismillah]

however, it seems women in this culture are brought up believing they are subjected to men and are some how responsible for how men look at them.

A result of the economic disparity between the West and the Middle east. It's not a surprise that gender equality is surrendered in these circumstances, equating this with Islamic mandates is false however.

 

[Sajdah]

i am trying to understand why is that when i think islam i think of the oppression of women.

Simply because you take your information from the Media and you don't give much care to know the real status of women in Islam!

 

[waitasec]

Simply because you take your information from the Media and you don't give much care to know the real status of women in Islam!

i care. and what i have been exposed to disturbs me.
you deny the claim that women are looked upon as subordinates to men
and this is simply a notion that only i pulled out of my imagination...?
not only do i believe women are looked at as inferior culturally but this ideal is perpetuated religiously, as it was/is with christianity and judaism.
i am sorry if that offends you...but why would it, if indeed this claim is false?

 

[Bismillah]

i am sorry if that offends you...but why would it, if indeed this claim is false?

It offends me when fools slander my religion, even if they are fools.

 

[waitasec]

It offends me when fools slander my religion, even if they are fools.

not surprising since the only way certain muslims know how to deal with conflict is throwing rocks at a person whose buried up to their neck...

 

[Bismillah]

not surprising since the only way certain muslims know how to deal with conflict is throwing rocks at a person whose buried up to their neck...

I think it's human nature to dislike idiots talking out of their ***. Does that mean I'll resort to violence, no. But I think it demonstrates that said idiots would resort to generalized prejudices.