Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Because those are the accepted understandings in the relevant traditions. Unless you want to re-invent all the world's religions?
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Is Brahman same as Buddhist void(sunyata)
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Because those are the accepted understandings in the relevant traditions. Unless you want to re-invent all the world's religions?
psychoslice
Veteran Member
So you believe in second hand knowledge, and why not re-invent religion, religion on its own hasn't given anything worth while.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Quite frankly it's rude of anyone to force their misconceptions of Buddhism onto Buddhists, but unfortunately it happens on a regular basis. New-agers and woolly syncretists do it on a regular basis. Hindus do it occasionally too, but they really should know better.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
That's a different discussion. In any case sunyata is incompatible with Brahman or any absolute.
Sunyata is conditionality and relativity, therefore it is incompatible with any absolute.
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psychoslice
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Why cannot Buddha handle that, is he useless ?.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
How do you know that ?.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Read the thread.
Also read the Heart Sutra which explains sunyata ( emptiness ), see if you can find any references to Brahman or God.
http://plumvillage.org/news/thich-nhat-hanh-new-heart-sutra-translation/
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes but that's all second hand knowledge, why would you believe that ?.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
That's yet another discussion, also off topic.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes of course it is, just like any discussion, there is never a right or wrong, there is just a discussion.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Maybe you should start another thread.
If you think that sunyata and Brahman are the same can you explain why you think that? What is it about these two things that makes them the same? What characteristics?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Indeed. Arguing that Buddhism is the same as Hinduism is just silly.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
In Buddhism the unconditioned refers to the liberated state of mind. It is not a thing or a place, and it is definitely not Brahman or God.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Well that's what happened isn't it ?.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes but again that just second hand knowledge.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
That's it you have it, its nothing more than a stupid concept, and nothing else.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Actually it's a pointer, or a hypothesis. One has to investigate experience closely to see if it's valid. Can you find anything permanent and independent in your experience, or is it all transient and conditional?
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
They're all concepts. What we're doing here is being clear about the differences between them.
It's like saying that words are all just words. Or course, but words do have different meanings. Or do you want to pretend that apples are the same as oranges?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
It's fine to question, but if you don't have a proper understanding of what you're questioning then it's rather pointless.
Sunyata is misunderstood by many people, they simply don't get it. Other people begin to understand it and then back away because it scares the hell out of them.
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Ekanta
om sai ram
Your answer is self defeating. Unborn means eternal. The unborn existed before the phenomena came and passed. The unborn existed before the temporary "state of mind" you refer to as liberation (lol).
Your whole world of ideas are just within the realm of fantasies.