Is Evolution the cause of all evils that we are witnessing in the world?

[F1fan]

I can't make any sense of this.
What does "IDER does not exist, so is love" mean?

I think what he is trying to conclude is that if evolution is true, then ID is not true, and thus love doesn't exist either. My guess is he's trying to link ID to a God existing, and that love that any of us feel is due to God existing. Quite a circular mess of thinking.

So, if you feel love then God exists, and if God exists, so does ID, and if ID is true, then evolution is false. Laughable. But consistent.

 

[Audie]

I think what he is trying to conclude is that if evolution is true, then ID is not true, and thus love doesn't exist either. My guess is he's trying to link ID to a God existing, and that love that any of us feel is due to God existing. Quite a circular mess of thinking.

So, if you feel love then God exists, and if God exists, so does ID, and if ID is true, then evolution is false. Laughable. But consistent.

Except for blaming evolution even tho it's false
and then wanting to get rid of it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This doesn't follow. Explain, please.
How do we 'get rid of' evolution?
Change happens. How do we stop change? How do we cancel past change?

Oh come on!! The answer is obvious. The same way that we get rid of gravity. A flying car is in your future!

 

[SkepticThinker]

I think what he is trying to conclude is that if evolution is true, then ID is not true, and thus love doesn't exist either. My guess is he's trying to link ID to a God existing, and that love that any of us feel is due to God existing. Quite a circular mess of thinking.

So, if you feel love then God exists, and if God exists, so does ID, and if ID is true, then evolution is false. Laughable. But consistent.

Hmm, okay. Thanks for the explanation.

Why do we assume the IDer (if it exists) is loving in the first place? Maybe the IDer is the source of evil.

 

[Nimos]

Is Evolution the cause of all evils that we are witnessing in the world?

Creation and Intelligent Design accept that an Intelligent Agent or Intelligent Designer (IDer) exist who had commanded us to love each other. Love means to let other people live happily, even though you may sacrifice. John 3:16

But if Evolution is correct, therefore, IDer does not exist, so is love. Then hate and anger would be the norm. From these, evils will come like Hell. Save us!

Thus, let us get rid of Evolution, as one sources of evil.

Love when the word evil is just thrown around without any clear understanding or definition of what it means, especially when adding God and evolution as well

As I see it, "Evil" can either be from your perspective, meaning everything you are not fond of, but more likely since you added God, it would be logic to assume that by "Evil" you refer to everything that goes against the wishes or the will of God.

However given that evolution is a process, it obviously means that it isn't sentient and therefore doesn't do anything with the intention of harming anyone, including God. It also means that it doesn't have free will.

Since God created everything he must also have created evolution.

So as I see it, based on what you are saying, one of two things must be true here.

1. God doesn't find evolution to be evil or he could simply get rid of it without any problems whatsoever or not having made it in the first place. Which means that your assumption that evolution is evil is clearly wrong, and you suggesting to get rid of it, is an evil act as it goes against the will of what God think is good.

2. You are correct, but God created evolution intentionally to cause evil to the world and is why he doesn't remove it. In which case, since its still the will of God, you shouldn't advocate to getting rid of it, as that would be to do evil against God's wishes for it to be there.

So either way you go, evolution should stay because God wills it. Not that I think we have much of a choice anyway, because not really sure how you would get rid of it in the first place

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Is Evolution the cause of all evils that we are witnessing in the world?

Creation and Intelligent Design accept that an Intelligent Agent or Intelligent Designer (IDer) exist who had commanded us to love each other. Love means to let other people live happily, even though you may sacrifice. John 3:16

But if Evolution is correct, therefore, IDer does not exist, so is love. Then hate and anger would be the norm. From these, evils will come like Hell. Save us!

Thus, let us get rid of Evolution, as one sources of evil.

You whole premise is incoherent.

If either creation or intelligent design are true, then the fact that humans are capable of much evil -- in spite of being "commanded to love each other" means that the Creator or IDer failed. That does not speak terribly highly of their qualifications, to me.

If Evolution is true in its essence (and it is), then we are as we evolved to be.

And now let me tell you why humans are capable of evil. First, we evolved as a social species. We cannot survive with the support of others of our kind. Because that is true, we know what is good (we know what will win us the help and cooperation of our fellow humans, and we know what will drive that help and cooperation away). As a consequence, as a species we have created the ethical, moral, and religious ideas that codify that for us.

BUT, unlike other social species (ants, bees, some wasps, etc.) we also evolved our own wills, our own desires, our own need to thrive even at the expense of others of our kind. Therefore, although we know intellectually what is good, we also have the propensity for power, greed, selfishness, depravity, and other dark impulses. And when we are sufficiently motivated, even the best of us is capable of dispensing with the social aspect of our nature, and taking what we individually want.

And only evolution could ever cure us of that -- or eliminate our species altogether. Which might well happen.

 

[Thea]

Without ‘Love’ there won’t be a next generation.

 

[Valjean]

Oh come on!! The answer is obvious. The same way that we get rid of gravity. A flying car is in your future!

No thanx. People have enough accidents navigating in two dimensions -- with brakes....

 

[Yerda]

I can imagine all the theists who accept science are really scratching their heads at this one.

 

[wellwisher]

Creation and evolution can go hand in hand.
But no evolution is not what cause evil in this world

Evil comes from the symbolic tree of knowledge of good and evil. Eating from this tree, polarized the human mind, such that opposites, such as good and evil, always appear to exist together like two sides of a coin.

For example, some people think Capitalism is good, so this causes others to think it is evil. Others think socialism is good, so others may think it is evil; flip the coin.

This was useful back in the day, to help the human mind differentiate the world around them. There was more evil in the world than good; ancient days. But this evil and hardship made people seek the goods things on other side of the coin, to balance this out. This help culture to evolve.

Heaven and Hell are opposites in almost every way. Once heaven was defined, then hell would also appear as the coin was flipped. The Old Testament had no Hell. Hell appeared when the option of going to heaven appears in the New Testament and after. The opposites were then expanded upon.

As a visual analogy, if you have black paper, little dots of white will have the most contrast for reading. If we have white paper, black dots will stand out. Black will also make light gray appear nearly white, while white paper will make dark gray appear almost black. The shades of gray is where subjectivity starts to enter the polarization of reality; relative morality. Neither are worthy of heaven or hell; black and white.

As an example, say you were in the ancient times and your order was to capture a city and kill all citizens. But you feel this is too harsh and decide to wound everyone, and tell them to play dead so they live. This would be seen as good, in contrast to the darkness and evil of the order.

If you did this same thing, in a place where all the people are loving and good, this once good act will now look like evil, due to the contrast of gray on the white, instead of against the black background.

From the evil we see in the world, the opposite or the good will also exist. It may not be obvious but it is there and may need to be defined. If you extrapolate this good into new areas, others will seek the evil connected to this white coin. This dynamics is the source of all suffering with the hope that the light will dawn on you to balance it off.

The tree of knowledge of good and evil; neural processing subroutine, makes it hard to find utopia, since the dark side will appear to balance this off; original sin. This will add confusion and stress. Adam and Eve saw knowledge of good and evil as a good thing, but soon bad things started to happen, to balance the coin.

Evolution may have entered this picture when the human ego evolved and humans developed will and choice via the contrast of opposites. But this was just an evolutionary stepping stone to something better and more 3-D; tree of life. This is not a coin but more like a ball where all sides appear the same; wisdom.

 

[Left Coast]

You are about to unleash a hornet's nest.

An intelligently designed one? Surely they will be full of love!

 

[Jose Fly]

"Is Evolution the cause of all evils that we are witnessing in the world?"

Yep. If populations didn't change over time, everything would be perfect.

Seriously though, threads like this are a good indication of just how dead creationism is.

 

[sun rise]

So that's how people who attempt to correct other people's misconceptions about the world are viewed then? This explains so much.

I can't be deadly serious (and deadly is a good word) about a topic that has come up over and over and over and over again. And if you truly think that discussion on RF is going to change someone's mind, good luck.

 

[sun rise]

Without ‘Love’ there won’t be a next generation.

True but that is not germane to the truth of evolution.

 

[Stonetree]

Nietzsche said: man is a rope stretched between the animal stage and the Overman.

To evolve ourselves, that depends on our own free will.
The lion is full of hatred towards the zebra, which it will hunt and eat.

But we humans can do better.

I don't think the lion hates the zebra anymore than we hate the animals that sustain us....

 

[F1fan]

Hmm, okay. Thanks for the explanation.

Why do we assume the IDer (if it exists) is loving in the first place? Maybe the IDer is the source of evil.

It's part of the whole flawed binary belief system that we see these folks do. If A is true then Not A is false. They presume they are correct, thus anyone who disagrees is wrong be default. If evolution believers and evil, they don't love, then IDers are righteous and do love.

It's all laughable in it's simplicity and selfishness. I suspect this is really how these folks think. They just can't ponder the possibility they might be mistaken in their religious beliefs.

 

[Stonetree]

Is Evolution the cause of all evils that we are witnessing in the world?

Creation and Intelligent Design accept that an Intelligent Agent or Intelligent Designer (IDer) exist who had commanded us to love each other. Love means to let other people live happily, even though you may sacrifice. John 3:16

But if Evolution is correct, therefore, IDer does not exist, so is love. Then hate and anger would be the norm. From these, evils will come like Hell. Save us!

Thus, let us get rid of Evolution, as one sources of evil.

I suggest we learn love from,first, our mother and also from our family...Why is it when lovers come close they call each other, "baby"? We repeat the dance that our parents danced. I'm not arguing against a deity but I am saying we learn love from experiences.....It seems more likely we are born with a competitive nature rather than a loving nature...

 

[Bathos Logos]

I can't be deadly serious (and deadly is a good word) about a topic that has come up over and over and over and over again. And if you truly think that discussion on RF is going to change someone's mind, good luck.

I don't expect it to change anyone's mind "on the spot", no. However, if I can be one link in a chain of continual refutations of their bogus information, to the point that they either finally crack and take an honest look at the evidence or give up with trying to blather inanities to the rest of the world (who might, "God" forbid, actually listen) then I consider that more than enough justification for my own purposes. Give up as you must - I simply haven't reached that point yet.

 

[The Hammer]

New Is Evolution the cause of all evils that we are witnessing in the world?

Nope

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Is Evolution the cause of all evils that we are witnessing in the world?

No.

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Creation and Intelligent Design accept that an Intelligent Agent or Intelligent Designer (IDer) exist who had commanded us to love each other. Love means to let other people live happily, even though you may sacrifice. John 3:16

At least you acknowledge that your pseudo-scientific word salad is just religion in disguise.
At some point, all cdesign proponentsists do.

But if Evolution is correct, therefore, IDer does not exist, so is love. Then hate and anger would be the norm. From these, evils will come like Hell. Save us!

1. absurd string of statements

2. even bending over backwards and accepting the insane hidden premises, even then your conclusion doesn't follow.

Thus, let us get rid of Evolution, as one sources of evil.

There is absolutely no reason to get rid of well-supported, well-tested and extremely established scientific theories that are even so established that they have given rise to a dozen of specialized scientific fields all by itself.

I'ld rather we would get rid of charlatans...