Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Brian2, you specialise in deception… so, jimb, please be careful who you raise a cup of glory to!John 1:3, Heb 1:1-2.
You keep ignoring these scriptures which show what I said to be scripturally true.
You just did it again, you claimed that the Trinity claims that Jesus is the Father.
"I and the Father are one (one thing)" -----You ignore the meaning of that, which is that the TWO of them together make one thing. My guess is that the one thing is one God.
Philipians 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Whatever "the form of God" is, it means according to the text, that it made Him equal to God.
The Son always submits to His Father,,,,,,,,,,, and of course the Father and Son are exactly alike and do not disagree anyway.
The Son is the interceding High Priest and the Father listens to and does what the Son asks.
The Son told His disciples that all authority in heaven and on earth had been given to Him. That puts Him equal in authority to His Father.
The Son, after being a man on earth, lower than the angels, but who owned all that the Father has (John 16:15) has not inherited all that the Father has, including the name above all names. (Phil 2)
John 1:1-2 tells us that the Logos was God. My understanding is that it is saying that the Logos is all that the God is. I understand this to mean that the Logos was all that the Father is, the Father being "the God." The only true God is the Father and in the Father is the Son and the Spirit. I see the Spirit as also being all that the Father is, but that the 3 are together as the one God and not 3 separate Gods.
In the Son is the Father and the Spirit. In the Spirit is the Father and Son.
Phil 2 tells us that the prehuman Jesus did not refuse to become a man, He submitted even when it meant giving up His equality with God and becoming a servant. (and there is a difference between being a Son and submitting, and being a servant and submitting). The pre human Jesus could have said no and clung on to His equality but that would show that He was not really just like His Father, perfectly good and humble to boot. As a servant He also showed whom He was, the Son, the perfect image of His Father, by being perfectly good and obeying to the death, trusting His Father God all the way.
Why would He decide to become lower that His creation? Because He is like His Father and loves us as His Father does and so was willing to do what it took and offer Himself for our sake.
Why didn't the Father or Spirit become a man. You ask interesting questions. I could hazard a guess but it's just out of interest that you ask. Maybe you could hazard a guess yourself.
I thought you agreed with the scripture, that the Son inherited the name above all names.
Jesus is ruling over the creation of God now. He has been given a Kingdom that will now end. (Dan 7:13,14) and at the end will give it back to His Father and submit to God. So you seem to have that one back to front, even though He does rule forever over His eternal Kingdom, God's creation, which includes the physical and spirit parts of creation, ALL of it. Afterall, all of creation was created for Him.
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
You say that Jesus is NOW ruling over THE CREATION OF GOD…. FOR A PERIOD OF TIME (1000 years) AFTER WHICH jesus HANDS BACK the rulership TO GOD.
Brian2, how many questionable fallacies have been corrected from what you claim:
- If Jesus is NOW ruling over the creation of God then he was NOT previously ruling over the creation of God - which means Jesus was not previously equal to God
- The creation is OF GOD … the creation of the Father… Yes, The Father is the one true God and it was He who created the world… that’s why He is the ruler of all things and can THEN hand that rulership to the Son … to glorify the Son when the Son brings the creation back to order… and when the Son does so the Son HANDS BACK the rulership to the Father. But note carefully, THE SON IS NOT ULTIMATELY EQUAL TO THE FATHER … it is said that though the Son rules IN PLACE OF THE FATHER the Son does not rule from the Throne of the Father: This is illustrated by the story of Joseph in Egypt where he Rules as Pharoah… “In all things You are to be Pharoah EXCEPT FOR MY THRONE” (Genesis 41:40-41).
- Jesus’ rulership OVER HIS OWN KINGDOM …WILL BE … an everlasting kingdom rulership. Jesus is NOT YET IN HIS OWN KINGDOM RULERSHIP since he is yet to “Come with the clouds with the trump call of an archangel”… but is not far off… we are in the last ages of Satan’s rule!!! Satan, who is the Prince of the air, the God of this DISORDER of things who has ‘Come into his kingdom and is exceedingly angry knowing his time is short’… He tries to use ones like yourself to deceive, if he could, even the elect of God…
- Jesus IS AWARDED the name that is above all names AT THE END OF TIME… The name above all names designated the holder of it as ‘Almighty in his KINGDOM’, as ‘UNCHANGEABLE… IMMUTABLE in thought, in mind, in decision, in commands’… all this summed up in a single simple name “YHWH” meaning “I Am”. The Father is ‘I AM’ in the kingdom of Heaven (as described above)… the Son WILL BE ‘I Am’ in the created kingdom (as described above)