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Is God Material Or Immaterial

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
For a long time, I believed God was in immaterial or spirit because I was unable to grasp the idea of infinite space. Over time my understanding has changed. The word spirit eloquently tries to give understanding to the idea of infinite space imo. What I was unable to grasp was infinite space itself, so calling it spirit took away my mind’s limitations of understanding. Now, it’s so natural for me to see that God is infinitely material. However, it still is difficult to grasp. There’s nothing weird about it. Just because something is hard to grasp doesn’t make it immaterial. My god is real. What else is there? Non real? What is non real? Non real is non real. Non real is nothing.
 
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Jimmy

King Phenomenon
In my Vedic (Hindu) view, I see God/Brahman as pure Consciousness (immaterial). The material universe is a derivative of Consciousness/God/Brahman.
Yeah, that’s how most Christians see God. I had to move away from that. This is a new way for me. I just came to this recently and it makes the most sense. Nothing is nothing imo. Believing in a material universe is actually even harder to grasp than an immaterial one, which makes it all the more believable as the truth.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
For a long time, I believed God was in immaterial or spirit because I was unable to grasp the idea of infinite space. Over time my understanding has changed. The word spirit eloquently tries to give understanding to the idea of infinite space imo. What I was unable to grasp was infinite space itself, so calling it spirit took away my mind’s limitations of understanding. Now, it’s so natural for me to see that God is infinitely material. However, it still is difficult to grasp. There’s nothing weird about it. Just because something is hard to grasp doesn’t make it immaterial. My god is real. What else is there? Non real? What is non real? Non real is non real. Non real is nothing.

Well, maybe God is not bound by our understanding of logic and such, so God is neither, both and only one and not the other in both cases; and then more and less.
 

Sir Joseph

Member
For a long time, I believed God was in immaterial or spirit because I was unable to grasp the idea of infinite space. Over time my understanding has changed. The word spirit eloquently tries to give understanding to the idea of infinite space imo. What I was unable to grasp was infinite space itself, so calling it spirit took away my mind’s limitations of understanding. Now, it’s so natural for me to see that God is infinitely material. However, it still is difficult to grasp. There’s nothing weird about it. Just because something is hard to grasp doesn’t make it immaterial. My god is real. What else is there? Non real? What is non real? Non real is non real. Non real is nothing.

My mind's unable to comprehend infinite space, as well as something outside of time, space, or matter. I don't see though how making God an infinitely material object is any more comprehensible than making him an infinitely immaterial object.

I think the correct answer lies from two sources, being science and the Bible.

First, according to the best scientific evidence we have to date (the First Law of Thermodynamics), something materialistic cannot possibly make itself from nothing. Thus, something outside of the material universe must have created the material universe of time, space, and matter we observe and live in. That leaves no room for an infinite material universe and strongly supports an immaterial agent of cause (ie, spirit being or god of some sort).

Second, according to the Bible, God the Father is an immaterial being; God the Holy Spirit an immaterial being; and God the Son a manifested, resurrected combination of the two. In no case does it support a belief in pantheism or any combining of God with his creation. In fact, the Bible specifically addresses the sin of people worshipping the creation instead of the Creator, affirming the distinction between the two.
The first, secular foundation stands on it own, though evolutionists reject the strongest laws of science (and common sense) by adhering to the Big Bang theory. I won't argue with such irrational people. The second, religious foundation warrants its own evidential support, but I'd suggest that I can offer up far more support for it than any religious foundation supporting your preferred theory.

In short, why would you adopt a concept of God that opposes both science and the Bible? You'd have to have an impressive amount of written evidence to rationalize such a view.
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
My mind's unable to comprehend infinite space, as well as something outside of time, space, or matter. I don't see though how making God an infinitely material object is any more comprehensible than making him an infinitely immaterial object.

I think the correct answer lies from two sources, being science and the Bible.

First, according to the best scientific evidence we have to date (the First Law of Thermodynamics), something materialistic cannot possibly make itself from nothing. Thus, something outside of the material universe must have created the material universe of time, space, and matter we observe and live in. That leaves no room for an infinite material universe and strongly supports an immaterial agent of cause (ie, spirit being or god of some sort).

Second, according to the Bible, God the Father is an immaterial being; God the Holy Spirit an immaterial being; and God the Son a manifested, resurrected combination of the two. In no case does it support a belief in pantheism or any combining of God with his creation. In fact, the Bible specifically addresses the sin of people worshipping the creation instead of the Creator, affirming the distinction between the two.
The first, secular foundation stands on it own, though evolutionists reject the strongest laws of science (and common sense) by adhering to the Big Bang theory. I won't argue with such irrational people. The second, religious foundation warrants its own evidential support, but I'd suggest that I can offer up far more support for it than any religious foundation supporting your preferred theory.

In short, why would you adopt a concept of God that opposes both science and the Bible? You'd have to have an impressive amount of written evidence to rationalize such a view.
I follow my heart regarding spiritual matters. My God is real, not an idea.
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
My mind's unable to comprehend infinite space, as well as something outside of time, space, or matter. I don't see though how making God an infinitely material object is any more comprehensible than making him an infinitely immaterial object.

I think the correct answer lies from two sources, being science and the Bible.

First, according to the best scientific evidence we have to date (the First Law of Thermodynamics), something materialistic cannot possibly make itself from nothing. Thus, something outside of the material universe must have created the material universe of time, space, and matter we observe and live in. That leaves no room for an infinite material universe and strongly supports an immaterial agent of cause (ie, spirit being or god of some sort).

Second, according to the Bible, God the Father is an immaterial being; God the Holy Spirit an immaterial being; and God the Son a manifested, resurrected combination of the two. In no case does it support a belief in pantheism or any combining of God with his creation. In fact, the Bible specifically addresses the sin of people worshipping the creation instead of the Creator, affirming the distinction between the two.
The first, secular foundation stands on it own, though evolutionists reject the strongest laws of science (and common sense) by adhering to the Big Bang theory. I won't argue with such irrational people. The second, religious foundation warrants its own evidential support, but I'd suggest that I can offer up far more support for it than any religious foundation supporting your preferred theory.

In short, why would you adopt a concept of God that opposes both science and the Bible? You'd have to have an impressive amount of written evidence to rationalize such a view.
I said an infinitely material God was still difficult to grasp. However, it does make God far more realistic. Now that I think of it, it makes him look far more powerful too.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Depends on the god.

Some of them are physical and material, some of them are not. Some of them are both and neither, too. Theological conceptions of the gods are diverse like that. :blush:
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
My mind's unable to comprehend infinite space, as well as something outside of time, space, or matter. I don't see though how making God an infinitely material object is any more comprehensible than making him an infinitely immaterial object.

I think the correct answer lies from two sources, being science and the Bible.

First, according to the best scientific evidence we have to date (the First Law of Thermodynamics), something materialistic cannot possibly make itself from nothing. Thus, something outside of the material universe must have created the material universe of time, space, and matter we observe and live in. That leaves no room for an infinite material universe and strongly supports an immaterial agent of cause (ie, spirit being or god of some sort).

Second, according to the Bible, God the Father is an immaterial being; God the Holy Spirit an immaterial being; and God the Son a manifested, resurrected combination of the two. In no case does it support a belief in pantheism or any combining of God with his creation. In fact, the Bible specifically addresses the sin of people worshipping the creation instead of the Creator, affirming the distinction between the two.
The first, secular foundation stands on it own, though evolutionists reject the strongest laws of science (and common sense) by adhering to the Big Bang theory. I won't argue with such irrational people. The second, religious foundation warrants its own evidential support, but I'd suggest that I can offer up far more support for it than any religious foundation supporting your preferred theory.

In short, why would you adopt a concept of God that opposes both science and the Bible? You'd have to have an impressive amount of written evidence to rationalize such a view.
The mind is quite capable of comprehending infinite space. It’s really not that much of a mystery. It is awesome in its power though.
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
My mind's unable to comprehend infinite space, as well as something outside of time, space, or matter. I don't see though how making God an infinitely material object is any more comprehensible than making him an infinitely immaterial object.

I think the correct answer lies from two sources, being science and the Bible.

First, according to the best scientific evidence we have to date (the First Law of Thermodynamics), something materialistic cannot possibly make itself from nothing. Thus, something outside of the material universe must have created the material universe of time, space, and matter we observe and live in. That leaves no room for an infinite material universe and strongly supports an immaterial agent of cause (ie, spirit being or god of some sort).

Second, according to the Bible, God the Father is an immaterial being; God the Holy Spirit an immaterial being; and God the Son a manifested, resurrected combination of the two. In no case does it support a belief in pantheism or any combining of God with his creation. In fact, the Bible specifically addresses the sin of people worshipping the creation instead of the Creator, affirming the distinction between the two.
The first, secular foundation stands on it own, though evolutionists reject the strongest laws of science (and common sense) by adhering to the Big Bang theory. I won't argue with such irrational people. The second, religious foundation warrants its own evidential support, but I'd suggest that I can offer up far more support for it than any religious foundation supporting your preferred theory.

In short, why would you adopt a concept of God that opposes both science and the Bible? You'd have to have an impressive amount of written evidence to rationalize such a view.
I wonder what the son of man would say about your Bible if he were alive today.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
For a long time, I believed God was in immaterial or spirit ...
Bible tells God is spirit and love. Do you think bible is wrong?

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24
He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:8
We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and he who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him.
1 John 4:16
 

chinu

chinu
For a long time, I believed God was in immaterial or spirit because I was unable to grasp the idea of infinite space. Over time my understanding has changed. The word spirit eloquently tries to give understanding to the idea of infinite space imo. What I was unable to grasp was infinite space itself, so calling it spirit took away my mind’s limitations of understanding. Now, it’s so natural for me to see that God is infinitely material. However, it still is difficult to grasp. There’s nothing weird about it. Just because something is hard to grasp doesn’t make it immaterial. My god is real. What else is there? Non real? What is non real? Non real is non real. Non real is nothing.
Are characters in video games real and material ? :)
The answer is both YES and NO.

YES - Because the characters in video games are real and material for -- each other.
NO- Because the characters in video games are non real and immaterial for -- outer world.

Similary;
When one's consciousness/soul is on a tour of this world -- then this world all around sounds real and material.
And when one's consciousness/soul is one with God/word -- then this world all around sounds non real, immaterial and illusion.

Better question is -- from which angle you are seeing this world all around :)
 

Madsaac

Active Member
For a long time, I believed God was in immaterial or spirit because I was unable to grasp the idea of infinite space. Over time my understanding has changed. The word spirit eloquently tries to give understanding to the idea of infinite space imo. What I was unable to grasp was infinite space itself, so calling it spirit took away my mind’s limitations of understanding. Now, it’s so natural for me to see that God is infinitely material. However, it still is difficult to grasp. There’s nothing weird about it. Just because something is hard to grasp doesn’t make it immaterial. My god is real. What else is there? Non real? What is non real? Non real is non real. Non real is nothing.

It's whatever you want it to be. If you think you can grasp god, then you can.

And if you think god is 'real', so be it.

Remember though, it's purely a subjective experience and can't be proven.
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
Are characters in video games real and material ? :)
The answer is both YES and NO.

YES - Because the characters in video games are real and material for -- each other.
NO- Because the characters in video games are non real and immaterial for -- outer world.

Similary;
When one's consciousness/soul is on a tour of this world -- then this world all around sounds real and material.
And when one's consciousness/soul is one with God/word -- then this world all around sounds non real, immaterial and illusion.

Better question is -- from which angle you are seeing this world all around :)
Nah. One can be one with the material universe
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
How does that even work? God is made up of a certain material and is infinite???
Atoms……etc
Infinite atoms yes. Pretty simple to grasp. What’s the other option? Infinite nothing? Im all set. Im done with that way of thinking.
 
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Jimmy

King Phenomenon
It's whatever you want it to be. If you think you can grasp god, then you can.

And if you think god is 'real', so be it.

Remember though, it's purely a subjective experience and can't be proven.
Nah. I know gods real. Screw proof.
 
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