Is 'God' pure love?

[Onkara]

Is there any reason to not conclude that "God" or the divine is pure love that we feel?

Is there anything in the scriptures to confirm that It (the divine) is pure love?

If so is that love unconditional, without limitations or regulations?

Do you have any thoughts or experiences to share to help draw a conclusion?

 

[TenjikuZero]

Is there any reason to not conclude that "God" or the divine is pure love that we feel?

Is there anything in the scriptures to confirm that It (the divine) is pure love?

If so is that love unconditional, without limitations or regulations?

Do you have any thoughts or experiences to share to help draw a conclusion?

Imho it merely depends on the specific philosophical school one follows.

I see that your description states "non duality' so I would go out on a limb and ask this question. Is not "love" a result of duality? I used to think of the final goal of enlightenment/moksha/nirvana in terms of "pure joy"/'bliss"/"happiness" (mostly these are the terms used in mainstream literature to this day) but over the past few years I have been questioning this notion.

Are not Bliss/Joy etc etc fruits of a dualist worldview? When one transcends duality how could we even describe such an experience in dualistic terms? In other words we might as well call enlightenment , Endarkenment...because for all intents and purposes they are exactly the same. The more I think about these lines, the more I start to cringe(in my mind) everytime some swami/philosopher talks about enlightenment/moksha in such glowing dualistic tones.

But this is just my view.

:namaste

 

[Onkara]

Thank you TenjikuZero, you certainly offer an a thought provoking response .

My question is genuine, as the more I steer into the divine the more I feel It is pure love.

Philosophically, duality and non-duality play hand-in-hand like sisters. For the non-duality to be known she needs her reflection in duality. What duality reflects is not seperate from non-duality, be it love, Bliss/Joy or even silence.

In other words duality arises from non-duality, it is not something separate in-itself; what is, is. The gurus of the past who taught the truth, still ate, slept, laughed and cried; one with the Lord's lila.

I am pleased to share views.

 

[TenjikuZero]

Thank you TenjikuZero, you certainly offer an a thought provoking response .

My question is genuine, as the more I steer into the divine the more I feel It is pure love.

Philosophically, duality and non-duality play hand-in-hand like sisters. For the non-duality to be known she needs her reflection in duality. What duality reflects is not seperate from non-duality, be it love, Bliss/Joy or even silence.

In other words duality arises from non-duality, it is not something separate in-itself; what is, is. The gurus of the past who taught the truth, still ate, slept, laughed and cried; one with the Lord's lila.

I am pleased to share views.

I'm glad to see that you have such a great conviction and connection to the divine. As you said, it is indeed enriching to share views and I like the point you made about duality arising out of non duality.

I'm all for the use of dualistic terms in the description of nonduality but the only observation I was trying to make was that most of the dualistic terminology we use to describe seems to be rather lopsided. Maybe it is only because we, as humans always prefer positive notions to describe something. Hopefully our social constraints and wishes will not colour our expectation of non-duality.

:namaste

 

[Father Heathen]

It makies sense to me that, if there was a god, it would be pure love and pure logic. So anything or anyone lacking in compassion or reason cannot be of god.

 

[Onkara]

I'm all for the use of dualistic terms in the description of nonduality but the only observation I was trying to make was that most of the dualistic terminology we use to describe seems to be rather lopsided. Maybe it is only because we, as humans always prefer positive notions to describe something. Hopefully our social constraints and wishes will not colour our expectation of non-duality.

:namaste

Thank you I agree, I think what we are up against is the limitation of language which is by its nature dual and disappointing... perhaps

Define "love" someone will scream, and we will real of reams of words, all along knowing intuitively what we are all trying to get to. lol.

I suppose my questions could be, can our understanding/sense of God be limited to the sensation of love alone?

 

[Onkara]

It makies sense to me that, if there was a god, it would be pure love and pure logic. So anything or anyone lacking in compassion or reason cannot be of god.

wow, I think that is profound observation, honestly!

 

[zenzero]

Friend onkara,

Lets take only the VIBRATION part.
Love is also a vibration and the whole is both vibration [mind] and the STILLNESS from which vibration arises and falls into.
BOTH are truth however most reach easily upto love which too is a vibration but most near to the stillness and so is compared with the WHOLE.

If you have been following the other posts in recent times would understand the subject discussed. If there is a problem in understand; do ask.
Love & rgds

 

[Onkara]

Friend onkara,

Lets take only the VIBRATION part.
Love is also a vibration and the whole is both vibration [mind] and the STILLNESS from which vibration arises and falls into.
BOTH are truth however most reach easily upto love which too is a vibration but most near to the stillness and so is compared with the WHOLE.

If you have been following the other posts in recent times would understand the subject discussed. If there is a problem in understand; do ask.
Love & rgds

Thanks ZZ
You point is clear However why do you prefer to explain it as "vibrations" couldn't it be some force or movement within "us"?

 

[zenzero]

Friend Onkara,
The word vibration is adopted here as the word is correct scientifically too!
In today's world balancing between the MIND & NO-MIND is where evolution has brought existence to and that calls for use of language which it self brings out the TRUTH from aspects of the MIND & NO-MIND.
Besides we ourselves too are vibrations and all efforts are only to reach the state of STILLNESS from where all vibrations emanates and sinks into.
Love & rgds

 

[Onkara]

Thanks for elaborating Zenzero!

 

[Marble]

Is there any reason to not conclude that "God" or the divine is pure love that we feel?

"pure love that we feel" - Can a human feel pure love?
Would not love, to be pure, have to be without condition?
Can a human love without condition?
Perhaps pure love is love without the need for an object, like an energy that simply exists without attachment to an object.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Marble,

Perhaps pure love is love without the need for an object, like an energy that simply exists without attachment to an object. __________________

You have hit the nail on the head!
Love & rgds

 

[Pegg]

Is there any reason to not conclude that "God" or the divine is pure love that we feel?

Is there anything in the scriptures to confirm that It (the divine) is pure love?

If so is that love unconditional, without limitations or regulations?

Do you have any thoughts or experiences to share to help draw a conclusion?

the 'love' spoken of in the bible is always 'agape' in terms of God.

This is not a sentimental love or a warm fuzzy emotional attachment love...its principled love. So God is a Principle being. All his actions are governed by love as a principle...this is why he can take stern action at times.

 

[Father Heathen]

the 'love' spoken of in the bible is always 'agape' in terms of God.

This is not a sentimental love or a warm fuzzy emotional attachment love...its principled love. So God is a Principle being. All his actions are governed by love as a principle...this is why he can take stern action at times.

psst....dir

 

[Pegg]

psst....dir

sorry ... i didnt even catch on it was Dharmic!


what does DIR stand for anyway?

 

[Father Heathen]

sorry ... i didnt even catch on it was Dharmic!


what does DIR stand for anyway?

I make the same mistake from time to time myself. DIR stands for directory, I think?

 

[Marble]

DIR stands for directory, I think?

:yes:

 

[idav]

"pure love that we feel" - Can a human feel pure love?
Would not love, to be pure, have to be without condition?
Can a human love without condition?
Perhaps pure love is love without the need for an object, like an energy that simply exists without attachment to an object.

When love comes into play there is an object in mind but it gives itself freely without expectation of any energy in return. Pure love would not have bias of any object(like you said "without attachment"), so there are many objects, and would give its energy freely till it depleted itself.

 

[Onkara]

Thanks a lot for the follow up answers. I would enjoy all feedback. I hope this can be moved to the Comparative Religions DIR (Directory) or somewhere where others can participate more freely.