Is He A Messiah For Your Child?

[Secret Chief]

"they see him as a spiritual leader, as a messiah. He saved them from the depths of their insecurity and brought them out of whatever it is that they were struggling with"

- ‘To his followers, this man is a messiah!’ Matt Shea on his long fight to expose Andrew Tate

 

[Stevicus]

"they see him as a spiritual leader, as a messiah. He saved them from the depths of their insecurity and brought them out of whatever it is that they were struggling with"

- ‘To his followers, this man is a messiah!’ Matt Shea on his long fight to expose Andrew Tate

From what I've been able to gather about this guy, he seems to be a con artist, huckster, sleazeball, and an accused criminal. Perhaps he's a product of a sick culture, just as many of his followers appear to be.

 

[PureX]

There are no human 'messiahs'. It just doesn't work that way. And anyone pretending to be anyone's messiah is a liar, just as anyone that believes him is a fool.

That's my strongly held opinion.

 

[ChristineM]

"they see him as a spiritual leader, as a messiah. He saved them from the depths of their insecurity and brought them out of whatever it is that they were struggling with"

- ‘To his followers, this man is a messiah!’ Matt Shea on his long fight to expose Andrew Tate

Scary, i asked mine if they knew of him they said no.

I hope it stays that way

 

[Jimmy]

There are no human 'messiahs'. It just doesn't work that way. And anyone pretending to be anyone's messiah is a liar, just as anyone that believes him is a fool.

That's my strongly held opinion.

A chosen one walks among us imo. Definitely not Andrew Tate

 

[PureX]

There are no 'man-gods' except in stories. There are no saviors gonna save us apart from the desire to love, forgive, respect, and appreciate ourselves and each other. And any human that claims divinity beyond that is selling poison.

 

[Secret Chief]

Scary, i asked mine if they knew of him they said no.

I hope it stays that way

I heard of him first through two boys at school. Normal, nice kids. They think he's wonderful. Go figure.

 

[ChristineM]

I heard of him first through two boys at school. Normal, nice kids. They think he's wonderful. Go figure.

Maybe he's not taken off in France. I'm certainly not looking to stir the pot.

 

[Stevicus]

There are no 'man-gods' except in stories. There are no saviors gonna save us apart from the desire to love, forgive, respect, and appreciate ourselves and each other. And any human that claims divinity beyond that is selling poison.

Those stories can be pretty compelling though. They're certainly popular among the masses. They seem symbolic in the "great man theory" of history, which suggests that most people are merely cattle and sheep, while history is changed by the individual efforts of various "great men" who bring it about.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Andrew Tate is a controversial figure.

 

[YmirGF]

Maybe he's not taken off in France. I'm certainly not looking to stir the pot.

Then again, in families that have no dad in the household, how are young men supposed to know who is a bad role model and who is not? I can't stand watching the guy for more than about 20 seconds, but kids might be impressed by his confidence, his seeming success, until his arrest, obviously. The man (used to) literally ooze confidence.

From what I've been able to gather about this guy, he seems to be a con artist, huckster, sleazeball, and an accused criminal.

Agreed. Especially on the con artist angle.

Perhaps he's a product of a sick culture, just as many of his followers appear to be.

I think this is dangerously harsh. You are talking about rudderless boys/young men who are taken in by his bravado. Shouldn't you feel compassion for a group of kids that society has already failed?

 

[Secret Chief]

Maybe he's not taken off in France. I'm certainly not looking to stir the pot.

Perhaps a language thing.

 

[Stevicus]

Then again, in families that have no dad in the household, how are young men supposed to know who is a bad role model and who is not? I can't stand watching the guy for more than about 20 seconds, but kids might be impressed by his confidence, his seeming success, until his arrest, obviously.

Agreed. Especially on the con artist angle.

I think this is dangerously harsh. You are talking about rudderless boys/young men who taken in by his bravado. Shouldn't you feel compassion for a group of kids that society has already failed?

I do feel compassion for them. As I said, I consider them to be products of this society. My harshness is directed towards society, since society created both Andrew Tate and his followers. Society is to blame. Views like this have influenced generations:

Even rudderless young men can understand this part, and guys like Tate seem to offer variations on the same basic theme.

Of course, the way to counter that would be to put forth more positive ideas and values, not reduced to the lowest common denominator - but this is the culture we have. Sick, isn't it?

 

[ChristineM]

Perhaps a language thing.

Probably

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

There are no human 'messiahs'. It just doesn't work that way. And anyone pretending to be anyone's messiah is a liar, just as anyone that believes him is a fool.

That's my strongly held opinion.

I wouldn't attempt to change your strongly held opinion, but I will mention only for the sake of providing another opinion that, in Judaism, the anticipated Messiah/Moshiach will most definitely be a flesh-and-blood human being. We will know him because he will usher in a messianic era in which there will no longer be war, disease, hunger, and other things that plague humanity in this world. The seeming catch to all this is that we all have to work together to achieve this goal. Jews are expected to do this by keeping miztvot.

As for Andrew Tate... He is not a messiah (even in a figurative sense) for any people's children. In addition to what he stands for, anyone who is quoted (as Tate was) saying that he likes living where "corruption is accessible for everybody" and that he would be less likely to face rape charges in Romania, is not a person who seems like he would be content to live in world where things such as corruption and rape have been eliminated.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

"they see him as a spiritual leader, as a messiah. He saved them from the depths of their insecurity and brought them out of whatever it is that they were struggling with"

- ‘To his followers, this man is a messiah!’ Matt Shea on his long fight to expose Andrew Tate

Sorry, but is Andrew Tate not that incel person convicted of rape?

Humbly,
Hermit

 

[Secret Chief]

Sorry, but is Andrew Tate not that incel person convicted of rape?

Humbly,
Hermit

He's been indicted on charges of rape, human trafficking, and forming an organised crime group to sexually exploit women.

 

[PureX]

Those stories can be pretty compelling though. They're certainly popular among the masses. They seem symbolic in the "great man theory" of history, which suggests that most people are merely cattle and sheep, while history is changed by the individual efforts of various "great men" who bring it about.

Sadly, we humans are still genetically programmed to bow to the will of the 'alphas' among us. It's something we really, really need to get over before they manage to kill us all.

 

[PureX]

You are talking about rudderless boys/young men who are taken in by his bravado. Shouldn't you feel compassion for a group of kids that society has already failed?

There are few things on this Earth more dangerous than rudderless boys and young men being manipulated by a hyper-confident con man.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

He's been indicted on charges of rape, human trafficking, and forming an organised crime group to sexually exploit women.

Yeah, that’s not good.
I’d be having serious words with my kids if they were into this person.

Humbly,
Hermit