elbriddicko
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onvention wisdom says John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
My thoughts are these:
The bible refers to a place that exists outside of the now, outside of our current reality. Note: this is debatable among Christians but most will agree Heaven is a place and this place is good. This place is where God dwells.
My logic sees things differently.
If heaven is a place, then it is a physical location.
If heaven is a physical location then we have the ability to choose in that physical location. For example, if I see a street, I have the ability to choose to walk on the left side or the right side of the road. If I see John on one side I may talk to him and bypass the chariot moving the opposite direction or I may take the latter option and jump on the chariot. John is often boring anyway
Choice is inherently tied to every conscious being in a physical location.
Therefore if heaven is a physical location, we also must have the ability to choose how we conduct ourselves there.
Again, I have to make this clear, choice is inherently tied to dualism.
If we have the ability to make any choice, we also have the ability to make a good choice or a bad choice, a choice that will make us feel a little better or one that will make us feel a little worse. This is the nature of choice; to allow a free will of sorts to discover the right answer. We must have the ability to make the wrong choice so as long as any right choice is available. Its the nature of free will.
If heaven were a place of choice, of free will, it must also be a place where wrong decisions are available. If this were not the case and heaven were not a place of choice then it must also not be a physical location.
Luke 17:21
nor will people say, Here it is, or There it is, because the kingdom of God is within you.
Perhaps Heaven is a not a place but rather a state of being. A state of being that one can experience whilst when its raining or when the sun is shining. Perhaps Hell is also a state of being, a state of separateness from the wholeness that we inherently are.
And if there was the ability to not experience the bad, the suffering, could we really know what the good is?
My thoughts are these:
The bible refers to a place that exists outside of the now, outside of our current reality. Note: this is debatable among Christians but most will agree Heaven is a place and this place is good. This place is where God dwells.
My logic sees things differently.
If heaven is a place, then it is a physical location.
If heaven is a physical location then we have the ability to choose in that physical location. For example, if I see a street, I have the ability to choose to walk on the left side or the right side of the road. If I see John on one side I may talk to him and bypass the chariot moving the opposite direction or I may take the latter option and jump on the chariot. John is often boring anyway
Choice is inherently tied to every conscious being in a physical location.
Therefore if heaven is a physical location, we also must have the ability to choose how we conduct ourselves there.
Again, I have to make this clear, choice is inherently tied to dualism.
If we have the ability to make any choice, we also have the ability to make a good choice or a bad choice, a choice that will make us feel a little better or one that will make us feel a little worse. This is the nature of choice; to allow a free will of sorts to discover the right answer. We must have the ability to make the wrong choice so as long as any right choice is available. Its the nature of free will.
If heaven were a place of choice, of free will, it must also be a place where wrong decisions are available. If this were not the case and heaven were not a place of choice then it must also not be a physical location.
Luke 17:21
nor will people say, Here it is, or There it is, because the kingdom of God is within you.
Perhaps Heaven is a not a place but rather a state of being. A state of being that one can experience whilst when its raining or when the sun is shining. Perhaps Hell is also a state of being, a state of separateness from the wholeness that we inherently are.
And if there was the ability to not experience the bad, the suffering, could we really know what the good is?