Is ISIS a disaster for all muslims?

[outhouse]

Why the other two religions are better IMHO Is because they do not require the level of fanaticism.


Judaism recogonizes mythology and allegory and metaphor, while leaving room for orthdox views.

Christianity also accepts most science and history, yet leaves room for their fanatics and fundamnetalist, YEC.


We dont see that with islam, its all or nothing. It does not accept real history from what I see, ALL users not just a minority seem to be fundamentalist and fanatical to some extent.


It sthe only religion that comes out and says all other religions are wrong, and god says ours is correct.

 

[Windwalker]

yep, pretty much.

You are aware the organization you participate in is a Protestant group as well and fits this too?

 

[Pegg]

You are aware the organization you participate in is a Protestant group as well and fits this too?

we are not actually protestant.

Protestants are church groups who have broken away from the catholic church and seek to reform the catholic church. We are not interested in reforming any churches or their teachings and practices. And we havn't broken away from the catholic church...or any other church. We are simply bible believing Christians who are committed to do the work Christ asked us to do.

 

[beenie]

It took all of 10 seconds to find this and similar commentary. Did you even look?

And here.

And here.

Jay, it's fascinating how easy it is to find information when one actually looks for it. Of course, one has to WANT to look for it. Thank you for being a voice of reason.

On the flip side, it is telling of our media that one HAS to search for information of Muslims and Muslim organizations condemning ISIS and terrorism. One would think the media would cover such commentary? Oh, that's right... our media is as Islamophobic as some people I've seen on this very forum, and met in real life. To cover such anti-terrorism commentary from Muslims and Muslim organizations would make Muslims "human". We wouldn't want that, now would we?

Thats what make it such a dangerous religion.

No control over fanatics and fandamentalism running wild.

I agree here as well. I'm not a fan of organized religion to begin with, but not having any grand LIVE authoritative figure(s) leaves a lot of room for extremists to unite and form such groups as ISIS, etc.

 

[TashaN]

Them atrocities being committed by ISIS and similar groups are horrifying the non-muslim world.

People will now be suspicious of their muslim neighbours: would they do such things if they thought they could get away with them?

Young muslims leaving peaceful places like Canada to join such groups reinforces the negative impression of islam that the jihadis are producing.

Will things be worse for muslims than they would be without the jihadist groups?

I'm not sure if you already know this, but most of their victims are MUSLIMS.

 

[TashaN]

Terrorism has no religion!!!

The jihadist terrorist group Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) claims to represent the interests of Sunni Muslims in Iraq, Syria, and the greater Middle East. One Sunni Mufti boldly debunked that claim on Lebanese television station Al Mayadeen, denouncing hundreds of murders of Sunni clerics by ISIS and Al Qaeda.
Sunni Mufti: ISIS and Affiliates Have Killed over 300 Sunni Imams, Preachers

Why the Islamic State isn’t in any rush to attack Israel!
The organization formerly known as ISIS has made clear that fighting Shi’ite Muslims is its top priority.
Why the Islamic State isn

ISIS leadership are terrorists and power hungry people who use teenagers and children in their fight through brainwashing and spreading false dogmas. heck, Even Al Qaeda itself denounced and rejected them and their dogmas and beliefs.

 

[metis]

we are not actually protestant.

Protestants are church groups who have broken away from the catholic church and seek to reform the catholic church. We are not interested in reforming any churches or their teachings and practices. And we havn't broken away from the catholic church...or any other church. We are simply bible believing Christians who are committed to do the work Christ asked us to do.

Actually the J.W.'s were eventually created through what is called the "Protestant movement", which splintered into several hundred denominations over time. Much like other Protestants, you share much of the same theology, and much like the others, you also have some differences with them as well.

 

[Windwalker]

we are not actually protestant.

Protestants are church groups who have broken away from the catholic church and seek to reform the catholic church.

Not since 1648! No Protestant church has sought to do this for almost 400 years.

We are not interested in reforming any churches or their teachings and practices.

Neither are any of the other Protestant churches for the last 400 years. You're still part of the Protestant movement though, just like all of them are.

And we havn't broken away from the catholic church...or any other church.

Sure they did! They arose out of the Restorationist movement that was going on in a lot of Protestant churches of the time as part of the revivalism that was sweeping the New World. Lots of these little groups sprung up, all claiming to have the restored truth and how they weren't like anyone else.

We are simply bible believing Christians who are committed to do the work Christ asked us to do.

So are they all. So say they all.

 

[Nakosis]

Shiite seem more moderate but are only about 10% of the Muslim population. Sunni are more fundamentalist but of course have the greater numbers. ISIS are the extremests, even killing Sunni who don't accept their extreme view.

 

[Looncall]

I'm not sure if you already know this, but most of their victims are MUSLIMS.

So what?

I'm against them killing muslims, or anyone , for that matter.

What I really despise is a culture in which the first, second and last response to any disagreement is to kill people. One sees it in many muslim contexts (ISIS, Pakistan, Somalia etc).

 

[TashaN]

So what?

I'm against them killing muslims, or anyone , for that matter.

What I really despise is a culture in which the first, second and last response to any disagreement is to kill people. One sees it in many muslim contexts (ISIS, Pakistan, Somalia etc).

I'm really sorry but you are generalizing here. ISIS is something temporary which popped up and will vanish someday. I think you have issues with Muslims and Islam more than issues with extremists in general.

 

[Looncall]

I'm really sorry but you are generalizing here. ISIS is something temporary which popped up and will vanish someday. I think you have issues with Muslims and Islam more than issues with extremists in general.

Not when muslims turn out in the streets in their thousands to celebrate murder. The case of the murdered Pakistani government minister is an example.

Muslim barbarity does not just occur as a few crackpots here and there, it occurs as large, well organized groups and as entire countries. It also occurs as whole populations taught bigotry as children.

Sure muslims in some places are peacable, especially when living among others who will not put up with barbarism. Even that situation does not always bring peace.

 

[Smart_Guy]

...as entire countries. It also occurs as whole populations taught bigotry as children.

You seem to have a personality with some hatred and animosity. Please try to get rid of it before it consumes you.

Believe me, I was like you before and I hated all non Muslims, but I learned that people are judged by their individuality not their grouping no matter how huge its bad is.

Please understand that I don't mean to be rude, I'm trying to help. Please consider this humble advise from someone that cares. I don't want it to come to you one day from someone else in an unacceptable way.

 

[TashaN]

Not when muslims turn out in the streets in their thousands to celebrate murder. The case of the murdered Pakistani government minister is an example.

Muslim barbarity does not just occur as a few crackpots here and there, it occurs as large, well organized groups and as entire countries. It also occurs as whole populations taught bigotry as children.

Sure muslims in some places are peacable, especially when living among others who will not put up with barbarism. Even that situation does not always bring peace.

Yeah, like me. I have been taught bigotry as a child because i'm a Muslim. So you concluded that most of Muslims are barbarians, obviously including me and Smart_Guy and many others, but you could find SOME peaceful Muslims here and there.

 

[FearGod]

I know and think, depending on which part of the post. I don't hear or see enough of the condemnation and the fence-sitters and sympathizers are not hard to find...some monitored regularly (sympathizers)

Are you kidding ?

Actually the Islamic countries are fighting them and they asked for the support to help them wining against the ISIS, it is really weird that a huge army in Syria and Iraq not able to win against 50,000 militants belong to the ISIS.

 

[outhouse]

but you could find SOME peaceful Muslims here and there.

There are more peaceful then violent overall.

Its the level of fanaticism and fundemantalism the religion requires that makes it easy for these terrorist groups to pop up, I believe that he addressing.


isis gives muslims a balck eye, because this is not an isolated group, its one of many in a world at war fighting these groups that use religious fanaticism as a political front.

 

[outhouse]

Not when muslims turn out in the streets in their thousands to celebrate murder. .

Many doing barbaric things to corpses.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Many doing barbaric things to corpses.

Which is forbidden in Islam '

I can't believe thei audacity in calling themselves Muslims and Sunnis. Prophet Muhammad even ordered us to not mutilate corpses.

 

[outhouse]

Which is forbidden in Islam '

I can't believe thei audacity in calling themselves Muslims and Sunnis. Prophet Muhammad even ordered us to not mutilate corpses.

I have no idea what their justification is, or whether its just emotion.

beheading the news reporter is another recent example.

 

[Looncall]

Yeah, like me. I have been taught bigotry as a child because i'm a Muslim. So you concluded that most of Muslims are barbarians, obviously including me and Smart_Guy and many others, but you could find SOME peaceful Muslims here and there.

Even here in Canada, we find reports of forced marriages, honour killings, attempts to impose gender apartheid, genital mutilation, young men going overseas to join al-Shebab and ISIS etc.

At least here, people who do such things are prosecuted instead of being praised.