Is Islam actually closest to the faith of Abraham proper of the three Abrahamic religions?

[Desert Snake]

One of the things I've long found inexplicable about Bible Christians is that nobody in the Original Testament, from Adam to Abraham to Moses to .... ever noticed trinitarianism. Moses never mentioned Jesus or The Holy Ghost. The only explanation I can come up with is that those characters were invented long after the patriarchs were dead.

The Muslims do have this one over the Christians.

Tom

Islam believes in Jesus.

 

[Thana]

I didn't think I needed to actually bring facts into this but clearly I do.

Christianity (from the Ancient Greek word Χριστός, Christos, a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ, Māšîăḥ, meaning "the anointed one",[1] together with the Latin suffixes -ian and -itas) is an Abrahamic, monotheistic[2] religion based on the life and oral teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament

So I say again, Just because you say it isn't Monotheistic doesn't mean you're right, As clearly I've proven you are not.
Sheesh, You guys are really hardcore about this. Hate to burst your bubble but there it is.

Source: Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

What does the bible say about Abraham peace be upon him ?

The Bible says that Abraham was called out of his father's house in Ur in the land of Sumer, to go to the land of Canaan/Israel where he was to worship only one God, the one who called him. It never suggests Abraham viewed God as a father figure, a feature of both Judaism and Christianity.

 

[Ingledsva]

One of the things I've long found inexplicable about Bible Christians is that nobody in the Original Testament, from Adam to Abraham to Moses to .... ever noticed trinitarianism. Moses never mentioned Jesus or The Holy Ghost. The only explanation I can come up with is that those characters were invented long after the patriarchs were dead.

The Muslims do have this one over the Christians.

Tom

Well, to be fair, they believe Jesus is the awaited Hebrew Messiah.

But indeed, - that doesn't make him part of any trinity.

No trinity mentioned anywhere, not even in the NT.

*

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

I didn't think I needed to actually bring facts into this but clearly I do.



So I say again, Just because you say it isn't Monotheistic doesn't mean you're right, As clearly I've proven you are not.
Sheesh, You guys are really hardcore about this. Hate to burst your bubble but there it is.

Source: Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes Christianity claims it is monotheistic, and gives a definition of its trinity that is so ambiguous, scholars give it a free pass for the sake of getting the core of the religion. However, Christianity does not hold the monotheism of Israel: 'Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord'.

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

No trinity mentioned anywhere, not even in the NT.

*

The trinity is at best a solution the Church came up with to solve certain Christological issues, and at worse- a total innovation.

 

[Sabour]

The Bible says that Abraham was called out of his father's house in Ur in the land of Sumer, to go to the land of Canaan/Israel where he was to worship only one God, the one who called him. It never suggests Abraham viewed God as a father figure, a feature of both Judaism and Christianity.

Oh thought there is more to that.

Well yeah these statements are definitely closer to monotheism in Islam.

 

[Desert Snake]

Well, to be fair, they believe Jesus is the awaited Hebrew Messiah.

But indeed, - that doesn't make him part of any trinity.

No trinity mentioned anywhere, not even in the NT.

*

You could say that 'trinity', an extra biblical term, is a created description that actually describes a monotheistic belief that has manifestations of one deity.

 

[Thana]

Yes Christianity claims it is monotheistic, and gives a definition of its trinity that is so ambiguous, scholars give it a free pass for the sake of getting the core of the religion. However, Christianity does not hold the monotheism of Israel: 'Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord'.

Wow, To say scholars give anything a free pass is to question the integrity of the entire bible.
Seriously?

There is no claim, It either is or is not and as I've shown you it is.

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

Oh thought there is more to that.

Well yeah these statements are definitely closer to monotheism in Islam.

Yes the Bible does mention a lot more than this about Abraham. It mentions a war he had with kings, in which he supported to king of Sodom, but only for the sake of Lot.

 

[columbus]

I didn't think I needed to actually bring facts into this but clearly I do.



So I say again, Just because you say it isn't Monotheistic doesn't mean you're right, As clearly I've proven you are not.
Sheesh, You guys are really hardcore about this. Hate to burst your bubble but there it is.

Source: Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There what is? Christians insisting that trinitarianism is monotheism?

That isn't as credible as math. 1plus1plus1 still does not equal 1. And most of the Bible is vehemently opposed to the concept of trinitarianism as well. He is God. Trinitarianism is a heresy that would make the Original Testament prophets like Moses weep and throw things.

Tom

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

Wow, To say scholars give anything a free pass is to question the integrity of the entire bible.
Seriously?

There is no claim, It either is or is not and as I've shown you it is.

Yes I question the integrity of the Bible, which is again another issue. The point is, Christianity does not hold the monotheism of Israel. Columbus already pointed out there is nothing in the Tanakh about Jesus as concerns the salvation of Israel. Only God is called Israel's savior and redeemer.

 

[Sabour]

I didn't think I needed to actually bring facts into this but clearly I do.



So I say again, Just because you say it isn't Monotheistic doesn't mean you're right, As clearly I've proven you are not.
Sheesh, You guys are really hardcore about this. Hate to burst your bubble but there it is.

Source: Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thana, Monotheism would be what Christianity claims it self to be. Not monotheism is what the churches preach.

Yes Chrurches don't support what Jesus peace be upon him taught.

Jesus peace be upon him never taught trinity.

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

You could say that 'trinity', an extra biblical term, is a created description that actually describes a monotheistic belief that has manifestations of one deity.

Why focus on a monotheistic entity's manifestations though, and why only these alleged three? God manifests as the merciful, the provider, etc. in the Hebrew language- but are these separate persons in a godhead?

 

[columbus]

Well, to be fair, they believe Jesus is the awaited Hebrew Messiah.

But indeed, - that doesn't make him part of any trinity.

No trinity mentioned anywhere, not even in the NT.

*

The Messiah is not God. He is sent by God.

Completely different.

Tom

 

[Desert Snake]

Why focus on a monotheistic entity's manifestations though, and why only these alleged three? God manifests as the merciful, the provider, etc. in the Hebrew language- but are these separate persons in a godhead?

I don't, I was merely describing what 'trinity' is trying to explain, in the context of monotheism.

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

I don't, I was merely describing what 'trinity' is trying to explain, in the context of monotheism.

I don't see how it could be monotheism when the claim is (according to the Council of Chalcedon) that the Son became both God and man in perfect union, but clearly this isn't true of the Holy Spirit or the Father.

 

[Thana]

There what is? Christians insisting that trinitarianism is monotheism?

That isn't as credible as math. 1plus1plus1 still does not equal 1. And most of the Bible is vehemently opposed to the concept of trinitarianism as well. He is God. Trinitarianism is a heresy that would make the Original Testament prophets like Moses weep and throw things.

Tom

There is no one plus one, There is only One. Just because you don't understand it doesn't give you the right to go spouting your ignorance. Have you even looked into Trinitarianism or is this just your bias talking because all you've given to me as an arugment is some silly math problem that doesn't even apply.

Yes I question the integrity of the Bible, which is again another issue. The point is, Christianity does not hold the monotheism of Israel. Columbus already pointed out there is nothing in the Tanakh about Jesus as concerns the salvation of Israel. Only God is called Israel's savior and redeemer.

If you think of Jesus as the Jewish Messiah, Then yes it does talk about Jesus concerning the Salvation of Israel.

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

If you think of Jesus as the Jewish Messiah, Then yes it does talk about Jesus concerning the Salvation of Israel.

To be fair, I will concede this is the assertion of Christianity yes- that Jesus is the messiah of Israel, and hence passages in the Tanakh apply to him. However, can this understanding be derived from the Tanakh alone, or does it require Christian reading lenses? I would argue it cannot.

 

[Thana]

To be fair, I will concede this is the assertion of Christianity yes- that Jesus is the messiah of Israel, and hence passages in the Tanakh apply to him. However, can this understanding be derived from the Tanakh alone, or does it require Christian reading lenses? I would argue it cannot.

It can, obviously, Otherwise there would be no Messianic Jews. They start with the Tanakh, Hear of Christianity and the alledged Messiah and take their Jewish reading lenses over to the New Testament.