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Is Islam's Allah the same as the Father of Jesus?

Christian Gnosis

Active Member
Considering that Muhammad basically reinvented Allah into the God of Abraham from a previous incarnation. Considering that Allah and Muhammad seem to promote law keeping and mistreatment of non-Muslims. Considering that the Quran teaches a different Jesus then that of the Bible. Can we say that Allah is the true God?
 
To semi-quote myself in another post I made (because I haven't yet worked out how to link to it...)

I don't think Islam's Allah is the same as the father of Jesus. Allah in the Quran seems to have irreconcilable differences to Yahweh in the Bible in terms of character. Some of the things Yahweh says in the Bible contradict some things that Allah says in the Quran. Each has a seperate method of salvation, different ideas about what people will do once in Heaven (or paradise,) a different stance on when a person should tell the truth and when it's ok to lie, different ideas about their own relationship with man, different ideas with mercy and truth, peace and righteousness, love and power etc. The only way I can see to explain this is that each are different; they are not the same.
 
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Thesavorofpan

Is not going to save you.
Considering that Muhammad basically reinvented Allah into the God of Abraham from a previous incarnation. Considering that Allah and Muhammad seem to promote law keeping and mistreatment of non-Muslims. Considering that the Quran teaches a different Jesus then that of the Bible. Can we say that Allah is the true God?

Uhh.....Muhammad took Judiasm, Christainity and some stuf of his own and mixed it together to create the Islamic faith. So Allah has just as much credibility as to Jesus and The God of Abraham.
 

Christian Gnosis

Active Member
To semi-quote myself in another post I made (because I haven't yet worked out how to link to it...)

I don't think Islam's Allah is the same as the father of Jesus. Allah in the Quran seems to have irreconcilable differences to Yahweh in the Bible in terms of character. Some of the things Yahweh says in the Bible contradict some things that Allah says in the Quran. Each has a seperate method of salvation, different ideas about what people will do once in Heaven (or paradise,) a different stance on when a person should tell the truth and when it's ok to lie, different ideas about their own relationship with man, different ideas with mercy and truth, peace and righteousness, love and power etc. The only way I can see to explain this is that each are different; they are not the same.

No see, as a Gnostic, you misunderstand me. I think Islam's Allah could be "Yahweh". They have similar natures and character. I don't think either one is the true Father.
 

Christian Gnosis

Active Member
Uhh.....Muhammad took Judiasm, Christainity and some stuf of his own and mixed it together to create the Islamic faith. So Allah has just as much credibility as to Jesus and The God of Abraham.

Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism. Judaism is about law keeping and subjecting the non-Jews to their state. Haven't you read what they think happens when the messiah comes? Too bad that messiah isn't coming, so they're wasting their time.
 
"For behold, the Lord doth grant unto all nations, of their own nation and tongue, to teach his word, yea, in wisdom, all that he seeth fit that they should have; therefore we see that the Lord doth counsel in wisdom, according to that which is just and true."

-- Alma 29:8


Muhammad's God is the same God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob. Allah and Jehovah are the same Lord, and Muhammad was inspired to reform the traditions of the Arabs, and to take them from polytheism to the worship of the One God.
 

Christian Gnosis

Active Member
"For behold, the Lord doth grant unto all nations, of their own nation and tongue, to teach his word, yea, in wisdom, all that he seeth fit that they should have; therefore we see that the Lord doth counsel in wisdom, according to that which is just and true."

-- Alma 29:8


Muhammad's God is the same God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob. Allah and Jehovah are the same Lord, and Muhammad was inspired to reform the traditions of the Arabs, and to take them from polytheism to the worship of the One God.

You will never get me to believe Allah is the Father of Jesus. Their natures are just too different. The God of the NT is love and light, and if anything, Allah's character is more alike to that of the demiurge god.
 
You will never get me to believe Allah is the Father of Jesus. Their natures are just too different. The God of the NT is love and light, and if anything, Allah's character is more alike to that of the demiurge god.

I don't have to. ;) You are entitled to your beliefs, and I am entitled to mine. :D

Just how like I believe in Jehovah, who is both the God of the Old Testament AND the Father of Jesus Christ. :D

So as long as we follow Jesus the Christ, we are on relatively good terms.
 
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Rafique

New Member
" Is Islam's Allah the same as the Father of Jesus?"

'Allah' is not a name,it's a attribute of Allah, god,iswar,krishna,kali-whatever words u call him-as comment made from quran
(above.)
'Allah' may be expressed in two ways (i) Allah=Al-Ilaha(Who is Worshiped by all) (ii)Allah=Al-La-Hu (Who is not definite)

Love&Regds.
 
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Thesavorofpan

Is not going to save you.
Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism. Judaism is about law keeping and subjecting the non-Jews to their state. Haven't you read what they think happens when the messiah comes? Too bad that messiah isn't coming, so they're wasting their time.

uhh Christianity took a bunch of books for Judaism including the Torah and called it the Old Testament. And Jesus is said to be that Messiah, but who knows maybe their Messiah will come and then we'll be screwed unless of course I bow down before him and realize my place.
 

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
Considering that Muhammad basically reinvented Allah into the God of Abraham from a previous incarnation. Considering that Allah and Muhammad seem to promote law keeping and mistreatment of non-Muslims. Considering that the Quran teaches a different Jesus then that of the Bible. Can we say that Allah is the true God?


No, the Islamic Allah is not same as the father of Jesus because the father of Jesus was Joseph, the husband of Mary his mother. Since Christians insist that Joseph only adopted Jesus, he must have been the son of Pantera. Keep on reading...


Alleged Sons of God =

According to an ancient Roman policy, any able-bodied man from the conquered lands, who joined the Roman Army, would obtain authomatic citizenship. And if he was lucky enough to reach retirement age, he could choose where he would like to spend the rest of his life, and he would be granted a piece of land or farm as severance pay for his services to the Empire. Rome excluded.

When the Roman Legions arrived in the Middle East and conquered Sidon, a man called Pantera applied to join the Army and was accepted. Then, he was conscripted into the Roman Legion which got stationed in Syria. When he reached retirement age, he chose to return to Sidon and got his farm there to live for the rest of his life.

According to Josephus, in the year 4 BCE, there was a local revolt in Israel against Herod. It became known as the Revolt of the Pharisees. It was so strong that it was threatening to depose him. Herod appealed to Rome for help and Caesar gave orders to the Legion stationed in Syria to cross over into Israel and put down the revolt.

Thousands of Roman soldiers came over and the task was quite easy. They crucified a few thousand Jews, and decided to stay for some time to make sure the discontent were subdued. In the meantime, the Roman soldiers would rape young Jewish ladies almost daily.

As it was to expect, many children were born as a result of those rapes. Since the unfortunate mothers were not to blame for promiscuity, the religious authorities forbade to ostracize them or to consider their children as mamzerim or ba$tards. But they grew up with the epithet of "sons of God." (Lecture on the "Historical Jesus" at Stanphord University)

Since Jesus was born just about that time, I am of the opinion that's much more prudent and less embarrassing to acknowledge that he was a biological son of Joseph's than to run the risk that Jesus might have been one of those sons of God.

Now, regarding Mark 7:24, I have here with me two different Bible translations. One is the Catholic New American version of the Bible wherefrom I read that when Jesus went to Sidon, he would retire into a certain house and wanted no one to recognize him in there. The other translation is the King James version, wherefrom I read that when Jesus went to Sidon, he would enter into a certain house and would
have no man know it.

Although I am not assuming anything, everyone of us has all the right in the world to speculate about such a shouting evidence and to think that there was something fishy going on for Jesus to insist on secrecy about his being in Sidon or in that certain house. At that time Joseph had been long dead. Could it be that jesus knew about his real origins and was interacting with his real father? Everything is possible, but if you ask me, I am still in favour that he was rather a biological son of
Joseph's.

Ben:
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Considering that Muhammad basically reinvented Allah into the God of Abraham from a previous incarnation. Considering that Allah and Muhammad seem to promote law keeping and mistreatment of non-Muslims. Considering that the Quran teaches a different Jesus then that of the Bible. Can we say that Allah is the true God?

Allah means 'God' in Arabic.

So your question should read... "Can we say that God is the true God?"


Yes we can. :D
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Considering that Muhammad basically reinvented Allah into the God of Abraham from a previous incarnation. Considering that Allah and Muhammad seem to promote law keeping and mistreatment of non-Muslims. Considering that the Quran teaches a different Jesus then that of the Bible. Can we say that Allah is the true God?

No, I believe there is only one true God, whose name is Jehovah. (John 17:3)
He has stated at Exodus 3:15; "This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers...has sent me to you.’ This is my name to time indefinite, and this is the memorial of me to generation after generation."
Isaiah 54:5 calls Jehovah "The God of the whole earth."
So the god worshipped by Muslims is not the true God, IMO.
 

Monotheist 101

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No, I believe there is only one true God, whose name is Jehovah. (John 17:3)
He has stated at Exodus 3:15; "This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers...has sent me to you.’ This is my name to time indefinite, and this is the memorial of me to generation after generation."
Isaiah 54:5 calls Jehovah "The God of the whole earth."
So the god worshipped by Muslims is not the true God, IMO.

But if there is only one God.. how does he become different when called by a different name? Arent we essentially referring to the same Monotheistic Creator?

So the god worshipped by Muslims is not the true God

That would imply that the Jewish God is not true either..I personally believe the Jewish God is the true creator and the Muslim/Jewish God is the same God the Christians refer to as the Father..
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
But if there is only one God.. how does he become different when called by a different name? Arent we essentially referring to the same Monotheistic Creator?



That would imply that the Jewish God is not true either..I personally believe the Jewish God is the true creator and the Muslim/Jewish God is the same God the Christians refer to as the Father..

I believe there is only one true God. There are many "valueless gods" as the Bible calls them . (Isaiah 2:8) Even God's adversary Satan is called the "god of this system of things." ( 2 Corinthians 4:4) So no, The true God will not accept worship offered to other gods. 1Corinthians 10:20 says such worship is offered, not to God, but to demons, of which Satan is chief. Satan tried to get Jesus to worship him and Jesus responded: "It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service."
 

Monotheist 101

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I believe there is only one true God. There are many "valueless gods" as the Bible calls them.

But if you believe Allah is a valueless God.. than you havent really understood who the Monotheist God is.. Allah/Jehovah is that one..IMO there can be no other.. it doesnt matter what we call him in different languages...
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
But if you believe Allah is a valueless God.. than you havent really understood who the Monotheist God is.. Allah/Jehovah is that one..IMO there can be no other.. it doesnt matter what we call him in different languages...

That is your belief and I respect that. However, I do not believe that is what the Bible teaches.
 
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