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Is it Fair to Incarcerate Christians for their Belief?

Is it fair to send Christians to Hell for their beliefs?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • No

    Votes: 13 68.4%
  • Other...?

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • Total voters
    19

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Whereas Christians often tell people they will go to Hell for not 'believing jesus is their lord and savior'; what if the Bible was the other way around, and those accepting a human sacrifice as Kosher, are defiling the Law, and thus are the one's who shall be sent to the Pit (Hell)....

So is it fair to mislead the masses? To not explain the Laws to them? So they can at least try to understand why they've been charged in the first place? Especially when they think they're on a honey trail to Heaven... o_O
 

MonkeyFire

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't send to hell, I'm a pacifist, they went to hell by their own hopelessness, or misfotunate nature. I believe in the NT, and a updated version in the future after the second comming, but there are Christians who believe in law not according to Jesus.
 
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Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
This totally mischaracterizes Christianity. You see, god doesn't want you to go to hell. In fact, he loves you so much that he tells you exactly how to avoid going there. All you have to do is subvert your rational brain enough to be able accept a thin wisp of flimsy evidence enough to base your whole life around. You see, god loves you, but only if you are a vapid groupie. I don't know why anyone would expect the ruler of the universe to not have a huge ego.
 

2X4

Member
Whereas Christians often tell people they will go to Hell for not 'believing jesus is their lord and savior'; what if the Bible was the other way around, and those accepting a human sacrifice as Kosher, are defiling the Law, and thus are the one's who shall be sent to the Pit (Hell)....

So is it fair to mislead the masses? To not explain the Laws to them? So they can at least try to understand why they've been charged in the first place? Especially when they think they're on a honey trail to Heaven... o_O

They don't know it but it is the other way around. The one's who read the Bible without any knowledge revealed to them from the invisible words, thoughts and images within their mind from the Creator believe they're the one's who are saved because they believe the words in a book. That's like children reading a Superman comic book and believing they are Superman. Only those of us who know we're Superman understand that a book can't help them understand how they were created. That can only be taught directly from the computer program we're involved in.
 

SkepticX

Member
I wouldn't wish eternal torment on anyone, it's an evil thing to do.
Particularly if you're omnipotent and can therefore create any conditions of reality that you choose.

But even if you were merely the creator, it would be about as unjust as unjust can possibly be to punish your creations for being as you created them.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Whereas Christians often tell people they will go to Hell for not 'believing jesus is their lord and savior'; what if the Bible was the other way around, and those accepting a human sacrifice as Kosher, are defiling the Law, and thus are the one's who shall be sent to the Pit (Hell)....

So is it fair to mislead the masses? To not explain the Laws to them? So they can at least try to understand why they've been charged in the first place? Especially when they think they're on a honey trail to Heaven... o_O
I can't understand what the idea of "fairness" has to do with anything here, since nobody is sentenced to hell (nor promoted to heaven) for any reason at all. Just because you've been indoctrinated with an irrational belief doesn't mean that it actually represents any sort of reality.

Your consciousness (that which makes you uniquely you) will end. Then, there will be no you -- not in heaven, nor hell, nor limbo, nor anything else. To understand what that feels like, just try to remember what you felt for all the millennia before you were born. You felt nothing. There was no you. You cannot remember anything about it, and the fact that you did not exist when Elizabeth I was Queen, or Torquemada was burning Christians, or Lincoln was trying to emancipate slaves, should tell you pretty much everything you need to know.

And then there's no more need for fear.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Just because you've been indoctrinated with an irrational belief doesn't mean that it actually represents any sort of reality.
Not everyone is the same, and trying to paint everyone with limited knowledge; just leads to faulty conclusions....

I've had a NDE, and been there, could almost explain it in quantum physics....Can also show in religions globally that people throughout history, have had similar experiences.
To understand what that feels like, just try to remember what you felt for all the millennia before you were born.
Got memories going back thousands of years, with many past lifes. :innocent:
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Whereas Christians often tell people they will go to Hell for not 'believing jesus is their lord and savior'; what if the Bible was the other way around, and those accepting a human sacrifice as Kosher, are defiling the Law, and thus are the one's who shall be sent to the Pit (Hell)....

So is it fair to mislead the masses? To not explain the Laws to them? So they can at least try to understand why they've been charged in the first place? Especially when they think they're on a honey trail to Heaven... o_O
Wow, how bizarre.

1. Reality is vexing enough, why invent hypotheticals so you can get meaningless answers to meaningless questions?

2. There is no reason to take a concept, mangle it beyond all recognition and then ask what others think about the mess you have left over.

3. Explain what laws. God's laws are meant to govern individuals not governments. If your referring to merely the laws of man then if God does not exist our laws are amoral. Our law libraries are filled with tens of thousand of laws, which are you referring to.

4. Christians do not spend much time telling others they are going to Hell. Since 80% plus of Nobel laureates are Abrahamic theists we are plenty smart enough to know you can not reach people by condemning them.

5. However if we do claim someone will go to Hell that merely reflects what we believe to be the truth. We did not invent that truth, we find it already existing and merely point it out. You on the other hand are creating arbitrary laws out of thin air based on nothing to stop Christians from merely mentioning the truth.

6. That is like saying that we should invent a law to condemn any doctor who ever gives a patient inconvenient facts.

As I said WOW, just WOW.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
why invent hypotheticals so you can get meaningless answers to meaningless questions?
Nothing is ever meaningless, there are reasons behind everything; if you don't get this, then clearly the scriptures are wasted.
Explain what laws.
No Human sacrifice, drinking the blood of an offering, worshiping death, loving something other than God, making an idol, turning the name of God into a blasphemy, changing the sabbath day, honoring father and mother, yet saying it is good news the son dies, accepting murder, committing adultery with another deity, trying to steal inheritance, swearing to a lie, desiring someone's mind, and the list goes on.....
Since 80% plus of Nobel laureates are Abrahamic theists we are plenty smart enough
Considering no one in two thousand years has noticed the gospel of John sounds nothing like Yeshua, then that doesn't say much.
invent a law
We really don't need to invent anymore Laws; you do get i capitalized the word Law as was referring to the Torah? :innocent:
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Nothing is ever meaningless, there are reasons behind everything; if you don't get this, then clearly the scriptures are wasted.
Yep, either bad reasons or good reasons. Meaningless hypotheticals being substituted for reality is an example of bad reasons. Inventing the hypothetical of sending Christians to Hell, is meaningless, and the entire world got a little less intelligent why it was put forth.

No Human sacrifice, drinking the blood of an offering, worshiping death, loving something other than God, making an idol, turning the name of God into a blasphemy, changing the sabbath day, honoring father and mother, yet saying it is good news the son dies, accepting murder, committing adultery with another deity, trying to steal inheritance, swearing to a lie, desiring someone's mind, and the list goes on.....
For pity's sake we do not sacrifice anyone, protestants know the wine and bread are symbols of what Christ gave up for us and even Catholics do not believe they are literally blood and flesh (they believe they are merely spiritually transmuted which makes no sense anyway), we do not worship death (we in fact worship Christ because he rose from death, that is the miracle). Wait a minute you seem to move between things that are not true to things we are morally obligated to do but no one will ever be perfectly obedient, which is why we need a savior to begin with. Then moved right back to things that are not true again. We do not accept murder as morally acceptable (we even have a commandment against it), we do not worship another's mind,....ok the rest of that simply gets weirder. No wonder your not a Christian, you have no idea what Christianity even is. I'm am not being sarcastic, but how old are you?

Considering no one in two thousand years has noticed the gospel of John sounds nothing like Yeshua, then that doesn't say much.
Your right that what you said "wasn't much" but thank God your around to save us all from the conclusion of billions (including thousand of Biblical scholars) over the last 2000 years. The name Yeshua is merely an alternative pronunciation of the word Joshua, and it's only 1 among several dozen names and titles referring to the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. Now maybe you are trying to say that Jesus was not the Messiah. If that is what your trying so hard to say then let me know and I will cover you up with a mountain of evidence and prophecy which will emphatically destroy that position. The entire new testament has been studied and scrutinized more than any other text in human history. The consensus among theologians, NT historians, and textual critics was Christ is the Messiah pointed to by the entire bible (and especially John).

We really don't need to invent anymore Laws; you do get i capitalized the word Law as was referring to the Torah? :innocent:
It is the book of Leviticus that contains 600+ laws that applied to Israel alone and only for a certain time, none of which apply to anyone since the law was "nailed" to the cross with Christ. The deca-law is debatable, but to a certainty the covenant of the law was cancelled and we have lived under the covenant of grace ever since Christ walked among us because God found "fault" with the first covenant. Before you close the door on the only eternal hope any of us can have you need to first learn about what it is your denying, and have better arguments for doing so.

I do not know how you got so misinformed about the bible but I do not have the time to teach you everything you need to know about the most profound 750,000 words ever written. Please pick up your argumentation and / or read the bible before I can no longer justify our discussion.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
It is the book of Leviticus that contains 600+ laws that applied to Israel alone and only for a certain time, none of which apply to anyone since the law was "nailed" to the cross with Christ.

Wrong again.

Matthew 5:18 Commentaries: "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

So, you are still bound by those 600+ laws. Including not eating bacon double cheeseburgers, peel 'n eat shrimp, or wearing poly/cotton blends (which really are an abomination - always take style and fashion advice from a gay man).
 
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