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Is it not a greater sign than raising one from dead?

paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Corthos said:
*Days, not years.
Regardless... You asked what was greater. The answer is necromancy. XD
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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 got revelation from G-d in 1886 and the promised son was born in 1889, so the period is 3 years, not 3 days.
Please not that the prophecy was made on February 20, 1886 and the promised son was born on January 12. 1889. So the period is about 3 years and if one wants it in days then the count is 1359 days.
Regards
 
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McBell

McBell

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paarsurrey said:
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 got revelation from G-d in 1886 and the promised son was born in 1889, so the period is 3 years, not 3 days.
Regards
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what makes you think the one born in 1889 was the "promised" one?

OASN:
it seems " known to the corners of the Earth" means something different to you than it does to me...
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Thanda said:
If you're dead you can't really make any decisions including deciding to raise yourself from the dead.
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and you know this about the god Odin how?

I ask because you seem to be presenting from a human assumed perspective.
 
Thanda

Thanda

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Mestemia said:
and you know this about the god Odin how?

I ask because you seem to be presenting from a human assumed perspective.
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I'm merely presenting it from a logical perspective. I am speaking of death as death - ceasing to exist or at the very least be conscious. In that case it would be quite hard to decide to do anything. If however Odin was actually still real and aware enough to make decisions about whether or not to come back to life than one has to ask how dead he actually was in the first place. Indeed one would actually wonder whether the word's life and death actually even apply to such a being. Perhaps he had just departed to some other place and he decided to come back.
 
Corthos

Corthos

Great Old One
paarsurrey said:
*magic
Zoroaster did not believe in magic or necromancy. Did he? Please
Regards
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Actually, I dont know. =) He doesn't mention magic, And I don't remember him singing about prophecy either in the original Gathas (as far as I know, I cant check right now since I'm out and about... links if there are any, please, so i can read them and reply later). =)

You're essentially asking me which one of two things I don't believe in is greater. Between those, commanding the dead to life and resurrecting one's self is pretty damn impressive. ;) Whether he rises from the dead 3 days, years, or centuries later doesn't really matter to me, because I don't believe in any of those narratives.

As for fortune tellers, keep in mind that there have been many other fortune tellers that gave accurate predictions all throughout history (if you believe in that kind of thing).... Nastradomus supposedly was able to predict Hitler, Princess Diana's death, and even 9/11. Does that make him a prophet too?

I suspect you wouldn't believe those fortune tellers were authentic (like me), so why should I believe your fortune teller is? Picking a name and date isn't that hard, as hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people are born every day... surely there's a good chance that a person with that name would be born on that day.
 
Sees

Sees

Dragonslayer
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Thanda said:
I'm merely presenting it from a logical perspective. I am speaking of death as death - ceasing to exist or at the very least be conscious. In that case it would be quite hard to decide to do anything. If however Odin was actually still real and aware enough to make decisions about whether or not to come back to life than one has to ask how dead he actually was in the first place. Indeed one would actually wonder whether the word's life and death actually even apply to such a being. Perhaps he had just departed to some other place and he decided to come back.
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"Perhaps he had just departed to some other place... " is basically how death is seen in a whole lot of pagan traditions. Not a state of unaware sleep or ceasing to exist. A God-like quality could be the ability to transverse certain realms and types of being in a way others can not.
 
Thanda

Thanda

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Sees said:
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"Perhaps he had just departed to some other place... " is basically how death is seen in a whole lot of pagan traditions. Not a state of unaware sleep or ceasing to exist. A God-like quality could be the ability to transverse certain realms and types of being in a way others can not.
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Indeed. That is actually my conception of death to - a passed away from this life to the next. But not all Christians believe this. And because of that many interpret the Bible to mean that Jesus was raised by His Father from the dead. But others, like myself, believe Jesus spirit only left his body leaving his body lifeless (as happens with all of us) and that after three days, by the power that was in him, he took up his body again and converted it into an immortal and incorruptible vessel for his spirit.
 
DawudTalut

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
Truth teller said:
"And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers." Qur'an (3:49)

Doesn't this verse from Qur'an clearly say that Isa Alaihissalam (Jesus) gave life to the dead by permission of Allah?
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Peace be on you.
According of my humble understandings:
This verse does not say so because we have to understand verses in the light of other verses, without violating other verses.

The words life and death are used in Holy Quran in various connotations.

Please read:
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[8:25] O ye who believe! respond to Allah, and the Messenger when he calls you that he may give you life, and know that Allah comes in between a man and his heart, and that He it is unto Whom you shall be gathered.

We know our Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) called believers to make them spiritually alive, (though the words لما يحييكم 'iza da-akum lemaa yohyeekum' are used).

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[5:33] On account of this, We prescribed for the children of Israel that whosoever killed a person — unless it be for killing a person or for creating disorder in the land — it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and whoso gave life to one, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind. And Our Messengers came to them with clear Signs, yet even after that, many of them commit excesses in the land.


In this verse, it is easy to understand 'whoever killed a person', but how about:
and whoso gave life to one, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.?
=Obviously, spiritual or medical or societal (crime-free) meaning are intended.
=The righteous people of Bani-Israel could make the dead alive! ..... surely physical.

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[23:100] Until, when death comes to one of them, he says entreating, ‘My Lord, send me back,
[23:101] ‘That I may do righteous deeds in the life that I have left behind.’ Never, it is but a word that he utters. And behind them is a barrier until the day when they shall be raised again.

=So returning of dead is made prohibited by Allah the Exalted.


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D= About Hazrat Esa (Jesus a.s.)

The notes explain

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http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=138&region=EN&CR=E1,E2&CR=E1,E2
and next page.

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Good wishes.

Ref: Images of verses and translations from alislam.org


 
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DawudTalut

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
paarsurrey said:
.......Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (Second Coming of Messiah) prophesied on February 20, 1886, on receipt of Word of Revelation from G-d for the birth of a great son who will be known to the corners of the Earth, with the title name “Musleh Maud” or a promised Reformer. The Promised son was born January 12. 1889.
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Peace be on you.
This promised son was given spiritual and physical knowledge by God -- as mentioned by God in the words of prophecy.

During World War II, he saw in a dream that he went to England and British asked him to defend their country. He told them to show their resources first. They did so and after checking he told them there was shortage of aeroplanes. If he had them, he could defend them. Then suddenly, during the dream, he saw a telegram came from America. It said, "The American government has delivered 2,800 aeroplanes, to British government."

Dream ended and Hazrat Musleh Mo'ud woke up.

Some days latter, newspapers carried the news that 2800 planes were delivered to British by Americans.

Ref:
http://www.city-data.com/blogs/blog36830-existence-god-shines-like-sun-when.html
 
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DawudTalut

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
YmirGF said:
Well, at least this thread is a good example of the extents of Ahmadiyya fanaticism.
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Peace be on you....The fanaticism which seeks and have demonstrated and will continue so by the grace of God, the peace for everyone --- with no political ambitions.

This promised son explained the reason: The Promised Messiah (a.s.) did not head any state, thus his Khilafat will be on the same course.

Do not worry plz.

Good wishes.
 
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