Is it okay to disagree with your religion?

[Riverwolf]

I recommend that you watch the movie "W." by Oliver Stone. It'll clarify everything for you.

No. Movies aren't a good source of accurate information, particularly when they're produced by one person. What makes you think I'd trust it?

Why don't I direct you to something like, say, Fahrenheit 9/11 by Michael Moore? Because it's just propaganda.

A muslim once told me that it meant cutting off someones head because they don't believe in muhumad.

I've never once heard that as a definition of jihad.

Muslims can go into better detail, but my understanding is this: jihad is about internal spiritual battles. That is, it's about becoming a better Muslim. It has absolutely nothing to do with killing other people.

 

[psychoslice]

A muslim once told me that it meant cutting off someones head because they don't believe in muhumad.

Good on you, I like what you say, you speak through innocents, not hearsay knowledge.

 

[psychoslice]

Your beliefs still have to follow the rules here, as you agreed to when you joined.

Now your probably just some random POE who will get blown out today or tomorrow, if not just a returning person already banned.

I hope they never make you a staff member lol.

 

[hannah969]

No. Movies aren't a good source of accurate information, particularly when they're produced by one person. What makes you think I'd trust it?

Why don't I direct you to something like, say, Fahrenheit 9/11 by Michael Moore? Because it's just propaganda.



I've never once heard that as a definition of jihad.

Muslims can go into better detail, but my understanding is this: jihad is about internal spiritual battles. That is, it's about becoming a better Muslim. It has absolutely nothing to do with killing other people.

Michael Moore is biased.

That definition of jihad is so subjective that it could very well mean cutting off someone's head because they don't believe in muhamad. I mean, at some point(s).

 

[Riverwolf]

Michael Moore is biased.

As are we all. It's impossible to be wholly unbiased. That's not the problem with Moore and his work. The problem is that it's propaganda.

That definition of jihad is so subjective that it could very well mean cutting off someone's head because they don't believe in muhamad. I mean, at some point(s).

I'll trust what the majority of Muslims regard it as being. Besides, the Qur'an forbids acts of aggression, and the killing of non-believers, unless they attack first. So, yes, terrorism is explicitly forbidden in Islam, another indication that terrorists are not intimately familiar with the book.

Also, while we're at it, a lot of Muslim countries hate the US because our armies keep stomping all over their lands and blowing their cities up. Not only was Bush an idiot, he was a terrorist himself, not a whole lot better than Bin Laden.

 

[Katzpur]

You will soon be banned for that type of insult on others intellect or faith.

Here's hoping that happens.

me I would edit that reply...

I rather hope not.

 

[roger1440]

I consider myself to be a good Catholic but my church says that sex before marriage is a sin. I have a really hard time keeping my biological urges down and most of the sex that I have would be considered to be extremely sinful in both context and content.

I generally prefer sex to be like that though so I don't understand why god would make me want to do such acts that god considers sinful. Is it kind of like a fractal pattern of confusing godlike understanding? I keep feeling as if I'm reaching these insanely intense sexual peaks which are in tune with how deeply I debase myself. Sometimes I even wonder if god is present through some of the things I do.

I also want to know how I can get into heaven and still maintain the lifestyle that I do. By keeping on going to confessionals?

What does the term "good Catholic" mean?

 

[Smart_Guy]

I agree with your first statement but aren't Muslims the most violent religion in the world at the moment?

I'm afraid I don't get your point. Muslims are people that follow a religion called Islam, they are not a religion by itself.
But that aside, please clarify the relation with what I said as I can't seem to get it too.
BTW, Smart Guy is just a name

A muslim once told me that it meant cutting off someones head because they don't believe in muhumad.

I live in Saudi Arabia. Here we have tons of who don't believe in Muhammad (many are friends of mine) and they still have their heads intact

 

[JoStories]

Isn't a "Muslim" an adherent of Islam? Islam being the most violent religion; Muslims being the most violent religious people.

There is a difference between culture and faith. Islam, IMO, is that culture while being Muslim means following the faith of Mohammed.

 

[JoStories]

Bush was right about pretty much everything but the media kept him down. Then Obama came along and everyone went crazy over the whole "half-white president" thing.

Bush was right; we live in a dangerous world but it's getting harder and harder to find out who the enemy is. I think Islam is just a helpful guide as to who we should be fighting because they hate us and our freedom and want to stone women like me to death. That's horrible.

You need to educate yourself about Muslim faith. What you state here is purely rhetoric and is not true at all. While it is true that we live in a dangerous world, it is no more or less dangerous than any other era, outside of the fact that we have nuclear weapons. Socrates said over 2000 years ago that he feared for the youth of the world and that is no less true today. The second Bush was only out for revenge in his father's name. The first may or may not have had good reasons for the Gulf War and such but the second was an idiot and God forbid we get a third shrub in the white house. There are factions of Islam that hates the west but not all do. That kind of blanket statement borders on bias, perhaps bigotry. Are you aware of the advancements we owe to the Islamic culture? Perhaps if you recall the atrocities done in the name of Christianity you could compare to the age of the Muslim faith. It was not that long ago that the Inquisition murdered millions. Or the Crusades or the horrors inflicted by missionaries on my people.

 

[JoStories]

I'm afraid I don't get your point. Muslims are people that follow a religion called Islam, they are not a religion by itself.
But that aside, please clarify the relation with what I said as I can't seem to get it too.
BTW, Smart Guy is just a name


I live in Saudi Arabia. Here we have tons of who don't believe in Muhammad (many are friends of mine) and they still have their heads intact

Well spoken Smart Guy. The misinformation of the culture in which you live never fails to make me sad to see the propaganda that people still believe is true.

 

[JoStories]

But that's beating around the bush. There is so much empirical evidence that suggests otherwise. Believing that the world is only 7000 years old could be potentially dangerous and reflects a point of view which, for all useful purposes, has been retarded by misinformation.

Why is being insulted by something inherently an argument?

Please read the forum rules. Insults and bigotry are not allowed here. No one's POV is or can be insulted by another. It can be debated, that being their views or thoughts about this or that faith but to call someone 'retarded', when in fact we have posters that have issues with their intellectual abilities is wrong and won't be allowed.

 

[JoStories]

A muslim once told me that it meant cutting off someones head because they don't believe in muhumad.

You are basing your opinions on one Muslim and the word SHOULD be capitalized out of respect for the many Muslims posters we have here and one biased movie? Really, I suggest strongly you do some reading on the culture and the faith to be more informed.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yep. It's Islam. It's called a holy war fatwa or something.

Actually it's called jihad.

A muslim once told me that it meant cutting off someones head because they don't believe in muhumad.

This is simply pathetic.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I recommend that you watch the movie "W." by Oliver Stone. ...

Michael Moore is biased. ...

As is this.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

This is simply pathetic.

As is this.

Well, we could always pollute the thread with injecting ideas for dinner plans sometime soon, Jay. How about it? You up for meeting again for some maybe some good Thai food this time around?

Because that would be awesome.

 

[outhouse]

Here we have tons of who don't believe in Muhammad

Do they consider themselves muslim, or atheist?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Well, we could always pollute the thread with injecting ideas for dinner plans sometime soon, Jay. How about it? You up for meeting again for some maybe some good Thai food this time around?

Because that would be awesome.

I would love it! How are you faring?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Do they consider themselves muslim, or atheist?

I was referring to people of other formally known religions like Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Druz... etc. living here, so at least I don't think they consider themselves Muslims. Not sure about seeing themselves atheists tho.

 

[outhouse]

I don't think they consider themselves Muslims. Not sure about seeing themselves atheists tho.

Thanks brother, for the clarification.


I though t it odd that any muslim would deny Muhammad.