Is it Reasonable to believe God is Transgender?

[ppp]

The thing about any who are transgender is that they have a change of gender.

You really believe this about God?

The sentence that you just quoted was my response to your statement (quoted above) claiming that those who are transgender change their gender. I was replying that you were incorrect in that claim.

I don't get the sense that you're reading thoroughly or for context

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You really believe this about God? I am sure that God is fully consistent with being God. Being male or female, or being masculine or feminine, is a part to some of God's creation, it is not inherent to existence or to God. There would not be any of God not aligning with anything further of God, that this would be so seems to be bizarre thinking.

Not everything fits neatly into the established boxes. I believe God exists, but certainly abnormalities occur. People are born with chromosomal disorders like XXY. People are born intersex due to various reasons. And people are born with brains that are wired for a sex opposite that of their genitalia. The world is simply a messy place.

 

[FredVB]

The sentence that you just quoted was my response to your statement (quoted above) claiming that those who are transgender change their gender. I was replying that you were incorrect in that claim.

I don't get the sense that you're reading thoroughly or for context

I was answering in the sense about whether anything of God is consistent with anything else of God, or not. It is a fundamental thing that effects everything existing. Either there is consistency, or there is not consistency. I really believe it is not God with any inconsistencies. And to begin with everything was made perfectly and it is a model. So I try to live making choices where I would not contribute to harm where it is reasonably possible to avoid.

I accept your definition, which corrected me, but that does not alter my answer. It is about whether there is anything inconsistent.

Not everything fits neatly into the established boxes. I believe God exists, but certainly abnormalities occur. People are born with chromosomal disorders like XXY. People are born intersex due to various reasons. And people are born with brains that are wired for a sex opposite that of their genitalia. The world is simply a messy place.

Yes, I understand there are the abnormalities, and very problematic issues, in this world. I was not saying things about that but about God. There is no argument about people who don't fit, this was discussion about God. And I do believe there was all the world made perfectly and it a model for us, and all the things going wrong since, after the choices that were wrong to begin with from our ancestors, which continued on and on, with spreading curse in our world.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

What do believers have to say about this?

That gender is a social psychological quality, not applicable to the Divine.

Similarly, biological sex is a physical quality, also not applicable to the Divine.


Humbly,
Hermit

 

[Eddi]

What do believers have to say about this?

No, it is not reasonable

Because God does not have either a gender or a sex

God is as transgender as my phone, my oven, or a spoon

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It’s not reasonable at all. God is not human.
God is Spirit.
John 4:24

A transgender person is someone whose gender identity doesn't correspond to their sex.

If, as you say, they identify as male and have no form that has a sex, this sounds to me like there's a lack of correspondence. No?

 

[Maninthemiddle]

Why would God have reproductive organs, or a body at all.
Does he need fingers to grasp things, or feet to move about.
The Body is simply a vehicle our soul enters in order to interact with the physical world.
We do not have bodies when we leave this life unless of coarse we enter a new one after Death.
When your car breaks down what do you do, do you stop your journey, no you open the door and enter a new vehicle and continue your journey.

 

[FredVB]

A transgender person is someone whose gender identity doesn't correspond to their sex.

If, as you say, they identify as male and have no form that has a sex, this sounds to me like there's a lack of correspondence. No?

God does not identify as male, unless you are meaning that about Jesus. God is beyond what we can understand as human, and even beyond physical things, which are all made. Pronouns are used in scriptures indicating God is a personal being, and 'it' is not an appropriate designation for God, so it happens that 'he' was often used for God while that was not meant to show God identifies as male. God does not identify as anything that a human would be, but only the Creator that is beyond all that was created, and greater. So the universe isn't as great. God is not limited to a gender of a human, which is of God's creation. And there is no inconsistency of any of the things of God. So there is no such lack of correspondence, that doesn't apply in any way.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Except that according to the scriptures, God created human beings “physical” male and female, by design, for a reason. So gender identity is more than spiritual.

The Bible also treats a woman as an afterthought who is just a trans sibling for Adam.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The Bible also treats a woman as an afterthought who is just a trans sibling for Adam.

Fair point.

Assuming that Adam was a cis man, his rib would have presumably been "genetically male."

Of course, we're talking about something from authors who didn't know about genes and who lived in an era when the prevailing theory was that semen held a complete homunculus of a person, and the other partner only provided a warm, sheltered place for it to develop.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Fair point.

Assuming that Adam was a cis man, his rib would have presumably been "genetically male."

Of course, we're talking about something from authors who didn't know about genes and who lived in an era when the prevailing theory was that semen held a complete homunculus of a person, and the other partner only provided a warm, sheltered place for it to develop.

I find it amusing that God makes male and females all over the place but not for humans until later.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

What do believers have to say about this?

Gender is used to understand God. There is truth in saying God is gendered. At the deepest level, though, God transcends gender.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

It’s not reasonable at all. God is not human.
God is Spirit.
John 4:24

As a Christian, you are saying God isn’t human? You reject the truth of incarnation?

 

[Treasure Hunter]

Cool. Excellent support of transgender folk.

There is plenty of overlap with the transgender identity and Christianity, such as the idea that you’re out of alignment with the ideal. However, the biggest “sin” of the trans community is looking to psychiatrists, gender specialists, and surgeons to perfect you instead of Christ.

 

[InChrist]

As a Christian, you are saying God isn’t human? You reject the truth of incarnation?

No, I don’t reject the incarnation.
I believe God became human in the Person of Jesus Christ at a certain point in human history. That does not negate the revelation in the biblical scriptures that God is an eternal Spirit.

 

[vulcanlogician]

I would say it's silly to associate God with gender at all.

Someone's probably already beat me to the punch with this, but: Isn't "non-association" with a gender, as is presumably the case with God, the very definition of "trans"-gender. "Trans-"... a Greek prefix... meaning "across"... sometimes with an implicit "beyond." If "transgender" means "beyond gender"... wouldn't then God qualify as transgender?

 

[InChrist]

The Bible also treats a woman as an afterthought who is just a trans sibling for Adam.

As a woman, I don’t get that impression at all. It says right in the beginning of the Bible that male and female were created in the image of God.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There is plenty of overlap with the transgender identity and Christianity, such as the idea that you’re out of alignment with the ideal. However, the biggest “sin” of the trans community is looking to psychiatrists, gender specialists, and surgeons to perfect you instead of Christ.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are one in Christ Jesus."

 

[Treasure Hunter]

No, I don’t reject the incarnation.
I believe God became human in the Person of Jesus Christ at a certain point in human history. That does not negate the revelation in the biblical scriptures that God is an eternal Spirit.

Indeed, God is the eternal holy spirit. That doesn’t negate that he is also fully human. Not just became human, is human.. from the beginning.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are one in Christ Jesus."

This is true, but so is duality and world identities. The highest religious truth is a story, not propositions.