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Is it reasonable to believe in a 'loving, merciful' God?
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MyM
Well-Known Member
I believe in the only God, the Creator of the universe of you and me and more.
I don't believe in the Bible as being the word of God for there are too many mistakes inside the Bible to be attributed to God.
In Islam, we have a different version of the reason why evil is.
God is a loving God and God is extremely merciful.
He doesn't forsake anyone except to the degree that he claimed in the Quran...that he knows they will not believe and since He is God is already knows those who will not believe. God also has his wrath, his punishments and his promises.
MyM
Well-Known Member
But it isn't the Creator. Yes, we do blame it on the ones who do the bad. God is more powerful than we so it isn't suitable for mankind to blame God.
Yes, He knows the outcome of what will happen to the world and He already knows who will believe or not. In Islam, He sent his guidance to follow it and he explained that the world is just a temporary place. We are to be tested. It's upon us to pass the test. Those that don't will have him to deal with.
Humanity has a way with wanting to blame everything other than themselves. God is ever watchful, all-knowing. He knows who is corrupt and he knows who isn't.
In Islam, Allah loves for his servants to ask of Him, to ask forgiveness, to pray to him, to humble themselves in this life to man and to himself. He wants us to turn to Him. We don't question or blame God for this, for he is our Creator and he set the guidelines.
So in Islam, it's easy...we are to do as we are told and worship him like he created us to.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
Exactly what the Baha'i Faith says! I like your reasoning in this case.
MyM
Well-Known Member
Hatefulness doesn't accomplish anything but more hate.
If you want to blame God for what you think is wrong, I can't stop you. If you don't believe in God, then morals to you are out the window in the first place. What I mean is, where do you get your guidance on how to treat mankind?
Just look up. Look outside, can anyone create a person from scratch? Do you think that mankind was by accident?
My belief will never sink in to you if something as simple as looking up and seeing the wonders all around, the oceans, the nature and the Quran.
Diseases happen all over the world and in Islam, that is one of the minor signs that will approach the Hour of Judgement. But that is my belief.
As for Allah making them and making people suffer, you don't know what God knows is all I can say on that subject. God knows all. Man cannot understand and shouldn't question God.
My belief is proven TO ME and billions of Muslims out there.
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PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
I would prevent my children to hurt or kill each other...
Sheldon
Veteran Member
It's not bias, it is the definition of the word dogma. While we're here what is with the random capital letters, and why do so many theist put full stops in the middle of sentences, then start a new sentence with the word but? I have noticed a lot of theists do this, on this site and elsewhere?
Disbelieving a claim is not the same as making a contrary claim. However is there is a deity then by all means demonstrate something approaching objective evidence for one, or anything beyond bare subjective anecdotal claims?
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Why do you assume that F1fan lacks morality because he doesn't believe in God? Have you met him in person, and you know what he's like in real life? If your answer to my question is no, then perhaps you should retract your pious accusation that morals are out the window for him because he doesn't believe in God. I think it's truly unfair for theists to assume that non-believers lack morality because they don't believe in God. I have known a lot of people in my lifetime that I wouldn't have ever guessed they're a Christian if they didn't tell me. If truth be told, I'd much rather hang out with unbelievers than I'd like to hang out with Christians, and I can honestly say that after being a Christian for 31 years. Speaking of which, the reason why I joined RF was because it's more open to unbelievers, and it has a wider variety of unbelievers than I've seen on the Christian boards that I've frequented in the past.
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Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
And I certainly wouldn't torment my children for all eternity in an everlasting hell because they willfully disobeyed my commands, and they rejected my offering of deliverance. I wouldn't kill my disobedient children by drowning them in massive waves of water or inflict them with a deadly disease or virus. I also wouldn't allow my children to be beaten to an inch of their life, and suffer years of physical, sexual, and psychological abuse, either. I could go on, but I will just make myself more upset, so I'll stop ranting for now.
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MyM
Well-Known Member
If I came across mean, I didn't mean to give that affect...but he said,
I can blame God if believers present God in such a way that it is accountable for what exists, and in doing its duties is immoral despite having moral rules.
I was thinkin that if he doesn't believe in God's morals why should he even care that they exist.
But you are correct, I did come off a bit strong headed. Thank you for drawing it to my attention.
A bias is a prejudice. A person who does not believe in God is almost always prejudiced against religion and those who believe in God. Disbelieving is a comfortable word but I believe that most people who do not believe in God are more prejudiced than just disbelieving.
To each his own.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
rational experiences
Veteran Member
So then we prove we know as human children we should not be harmed.
Yet the O God one earth can erupt kill any child.
The heavens can react kill any child.
God in creation.
God in creation is human science.
Science is dangerous.
So if you say there is another God where is that God the unconditional loving God that never wanted spirit in creation?
Oh that is right says a human as it's not in created creation.
It is the eternal being who created God and released God from its body.
As how do we know who we should be unless we did directly manifest from the eternal God not in creation?
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Ah, I see the error I made in my OP now. I couldn't help but sigh when I read your reply because my dyslexic mind didn't see my error before. My dyslexic mind was thinking 'multiple scriptures,' and my dyslexic mind read 'multiple scriptures,' when I reviewed my post before I clicked on Post Reply. That's my mistake, and it's on me. I was trying to emphasize the fact that unbelievers aren't typically convinced when Christians quote multiple scriptures, in an attempt to defend their belief in God. That's what I meant to convey in my OP, but my initial thought of 'multiple scriptures' didn't make it into my post. It really does suck to be dyslexic. Sigh.
Humanity is in a terrible state because God allowed it to happen in the first place. According to the bible, God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present, which means that he knew mankind would end up depraved and corrupted before he created Adam and Eve. And for whatever reason, he created Adam and Eve anyway, also knowing that they would fall into temptation and disobey him. As I pointed out in my OP, Isaiah 45:7 makes it perfectly clear that God creates disasters and calamity. The King James Version uses the word 'evil,' but other bible translations use disaster and calamity. I think the word 'evil' is an appropriate term, as well.
God perpetrated all the violence and destruction by creating disaster and calamity in the world, in addition to creating prosperity and well-being. For the record, I do not see God as merciful at all, not even in the least. In fact, I see God as a sadistic tyrant, who obviously takes personal pleasure in creating disaster and calamity in the world, and then he sits back and watching his creation tear itself apart, while presenting himself as a loving, merciful God, and a heavenly father. A truly loving father doesn't intentionally cause total mayhem in his children's lives. A truly loving father doesn't condemn his disobedient children to eternal torment, either.
Bree, you're barking up the wrong tree, because I'm the mother of nine children (5 daughters, 2 sons, and 2 miscarriages). I would like to be perfectly clear here, I would never treat my children the way God has cruelly treated humanity since he set up Adam and Eve to fall into temptation and disobey him. First, I've never punished one of my children for the disobedience of my other children. Secondly, I've never thrown any of my children out of our home for disobedience, and damned them to a life of pain and misery.
- I would never just sit back and watch any of my children be violently abused and do nothing to stop the abuse.
- I would never just sit back and watch any of my children be violently raped or molested and do nothing to protect them.
- I would never just sit back and watch any of my children be murdered in cold blood and do nothing to prevent their death.
- I would never sit back and watch my children die from a deadly disease or virus and not do everything I could to save them.
- I would never sit back and watch my children be gassed to death, as God allowed 6 million Jews to suffer this horrific death.
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rational experiences
Veteran Member
Father never did it brother baby man I want to be a destroyer satanist scientist did.
Designer.
Built designed civilization.
Designed science buildings
Designed science machines.
History life's destroyer of men agreed.
Who say in science lying as just a human biological consciousness. Inside it's earths heavens energy is infinite.
When they made sin holes in gods body. Emptiness. Emptiness made a pit as energy deep with the tunnel channel.space led to other mass.
Yet he removed mass to get nothing the space himself.
Lied as consciousness.
So the bible written by a healer not a scientist a naturally aware human advised consciously had to express science himself.
Sacrificed bodily knowing how loving he is and was looking at his brothers wondering in conscious reality what happened to their minds to kill murder harm our family. Our life. Our planet. Our heavens.
So father told me his story to try to save us intelligently from his false advice.
Designer.
Built designed civilization.
Designed science buildings
Designed science machines.
History life's destroyer of men agreed.
Who say in science lying as just a human biological consciousness. Inside it's earths heavens energy is infinite.
When they made sin holes in gods body. Emptiness. Emptiness made a pit as energy deep with the tunnel channel.space led to other mass.
Yet he removed mass to get nothing the space himself.
Lied as consciousness.
So the bible written by a healer not a scientist a naturally aware human advised consciously had to express science himself.
Sacrificed bodily knowing how loving he is and was looking at his brothers wondering in conscious reality what happened to their minds to kill murder harm our family. Our life. Our planet. Our heavens.
So father told me his story to try to save us intelligently from his false advice.
InChrist
Free4ever
With regard to Question 1- I would like to stress the importance of context. The context reveals that Isaiah 45:7 and the passage where the verse is found is specific to Israel and God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. The context also shows that God creating “evil” means something other than bringing moral evil into existence. The Hebrew word means adversity, affliction, calamity, distress and many translations use these rather than the word- evil...
I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the Lord, do all these things.’ NKJV
Also, I would like to add that when the scriptures say...
I form the light and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”
...it’s helpful to keep the big picture in mind that darkness is the absence of light. Darkness is not something which God literally created, as it is nothing, it’s a void, the absence of light. In the same way evil, moral evil which you seem to be focused on, I believe is the absence of God’s goodness and moral perfection and
it is opposition to good. The Scripture defines sin as falling short of the glory of God; anything that is less than God’s perfection. So in this way God “creates evil” because His perfection exposes and defines evil. His purity, His perfection, His goodness defines everything that falls short as evil,
Throughout the scriptures it is revealed that sinful behavior is wrong and contrary to God’s. As a result, this fallen world bears the consequences and damaging effect of human sinfulness.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Self man scientific theist Idolator.
He him his references to hear a preceding self who chose machine metal evil.
Talking back introduced feedback of inventors image voice.
Heavens a mass water is clear.
Light blue sky.
Man in his heavens first.
As man first does not own the clouds in the blue light heavens clear gas sky.
We live in clear water life.
The heavens as gods spirits body owns clouds.
No man is God. First advice.
You are not what you thesis.
First. I look at trees garden nature nothing like my body and earth grounded.
Oxygenator of biology.
Human thesis self is first.
No argument. Human law said by law you were not allowed to argue fact of self evidence. Hence don't.
So if you and wood are bound to the earth and you want water and lifes oxygenator to be shifted wouldn't you affect the ground rooting body by thesis?
Yes.
So you said the garden evicted you?
Yes.
So why argue?
Reason I first thought CH arisen gases heaven owned. As an informed theist. Earth as rock was rock however.
My thesis directly thought about any of the heavens gas. First. Where I gained theist advice.
Did you own it?
No.
Yet you keep inferring you did....why?
I had to remind myself I lived within the heavens body. As biology human.
I took earth chemicals converted into CH gas myself as the alchemist theist.
Took it from God earth myself physically.
So you have yourself placed messages in text that only a spiritual mind would realise and not a theist?
Yes.
As any human would ask how could you biologically be a CH gas.
So the theist says if I place a copy of metal as an earth machine inside of the earth body it is replaced naturally placed. I expect earth metal radiation to directly pass into the metal to make it release form?
As earth is releasing radiation.
And believe it.
What possessed assessed by science as it's designer means. In consciousness.
As a biological thought is for biology only ...what was previously realised.
If you shift thoughts to acting as a machine you come to believe you are a machine.
He him his references to hear a preceding self who chose machine metal evil.
Talking back introduced feedback of inventors image voice.
Heavens a mass water is clear.
Light blue sky.
Man in his heavens first.
As man first does not own the clouds in the blue light heavens clear gas sky.
We live in clear water life.
The heavens as gods spirits body owns clouds.
No man is God. First advice.
You are not what you thesis.
First. I look at trees garden nature nothing like my body and earth grounded.
Oxygenator of biology.
Human thesis self is first.
No argument. Human law said by law you were not allowed to argue fact of self evidence. Hence don't.
So if you and wood are bound to the earth and you want water and lifes oxygenator to be shifted wouldn't you affect the ground rooting body by thesis?
Yes.
So you said the garden evicted you?
Yes.
So why argue?
Reason I first thought CH arisen gases heaven owned. As an informed theist. Earth as rock was rock however.
My thesis directly thought about any of the heavens gas. First. Where I gained theist advice.
Did you own it?
No.
Yet you keep inferring you did....why?
I had to remind myself I lived within the heavens body. As biology human.
I took earth chemicals converted into CH gas myself as the alchemist theist.
Took it from God earth myself physically.
So you have yourself placed messages in text that only a spiritual mind would realise and not a theist?
Yes.
As any human would ask how could you biologically be a CH gas.
So the theist says if I place a copy of metal as an earth machine inside of the earth body it is replaced naturally placed. I expect earth metal radiation to directly pass into the metal to make it release form?
As earth is releasing radiation.
And believe it.
What possessed assessed by science as it's designer means. In consciousness.
As a biological thought is for biology only ...what was previously realised.
If you shift thoughts to acting as a machine you come to believe you are a machine.
lukethethird
unknown member
Is it reasonable to believe in a 'loving, merciful' God?
Yes, in magic land.
Yes, in magic land.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, that is your belief and it is without evidence and not rational, so it is not reasonable and thus a part of magic land itself.
lukethethird
unknown member
Of course it is without evidence and not rational, we're talking about God after all, what were you expecting?