IS IT RELATIVE?

[dudley thoth]

Does God's omniscience nulify my freewill?

 

[Master Vigil]

Yes.

 

[Ceridwen018]

That is indeed a very complicated question. My take, is that if god is omniscient, then free will is absolutely nullified. If he already knows what you are going to do, then how is that free will? You can't change it if you wanted, especially because it's written into his 'plan' for your life. I have heard it explained to me that god knows the outcome of each choice, but not what your ultimate decision will be, however if that is true, then god is not omniscient.

So basically, if god is omniscient, then we have no free will. Which leads to the question: how is it fair for some to be sent to hell and others to heaven, if we had no choice in our actions in the first place? How does the theory of predestination fit in with god's common persona as the ever fair, even merciful and loving and perfect god?

 

[dudley thoth]

That is indeed a very complicated question. My take, is that if god is omniscient, then free will is absolutely nullified. If he already knows what you are going to do, then how is that free will? You can't change it if you wanted, especially because it's written into his 'plan' for your life. I have heard it explained to me that god knows the outcome of each choice, but not what your ultimate decision will be, however if that is true, then god is not omniscient.

So basically, if god is omniscient, then we have no free will. Which leads to the question: how is it fair for some to be sent to hell and others to heaven, if we had no choice in our actions in the first place? How does the theory of predestination fit in with god's common persona as the ever fair, even merciful and loving and perfect god?

(I need to get thinking about this.)

But I don't know what I'm going to do.

To me my will is free. What's God omniscience got to do with it?

Ultimately, I suppose, i will follow a single path, but I'm free to choose it.

Am I not?

 

[Lightkeeper]

No, Especially if you believe that God is within you.

 

[dudley thoth]

I have heard it explained to me that god knows the outcome of each choice, but not what your ultimate decision will be, however if that is true, then god is not omniscient.

God must know our Ultimate decision ( are you refering to our accepting or rejecting of God?) otherwise, like you say, he wouldn't be omniscient.

Unless... He chooses not to know.

Would there be any point to that, do you think?

 

[true blood]

How can infinite knowledge effect someone elses power of making free choices unconstrained by external agencies if said person with infinite knowledge doesn't interfer?

Does God have free will? If he's omniscient and all powerful can he set his own constraints of operation and work with in spiritual laws created by himself? On earth we have laws of physics and such.. In the spiritual realm do similar or new laws exist?

 

[painted wolf]

who says god Has to Be omniscient....

perhaps it is as surprized by our actions as we are?

wa:-do

 

[Engyo]

Well, since I don't subscribe to the concept of "God", nor omniscience of same, my answer would be that only YOU can nullify your free will. From my point of view, believing that you have none is only a choice made from your free will. If you choose to believe that God has the responsibility and you have none, that is YOUR choice; hence it is your free will in action.

 

[OctoberTheHottie]

I don't believe God has thoughts or opinions, It just is, maybe it has infinate knowlegde, like the collective conscience, but I don't think it affects us. It is the giver of life, like life giving beams of light coming from the sun... we all harbor a piece of it and one day will be one with it. I still catch myself thinking of Him as him sometimes, so this is only my opinion at the moment, maybe it will change, who knows?? I'm still looking into that, lol.... But if I had to say thinking of it in His terms, I would say I think he knows the outcome of all choices, but doens't affect them....

 

[Mr Spinkles]

I don't think beleiving in an omniscient God alone nullifies free will.

However, you don't have a free choice when it comes to the reasons WHY you choose the things you do. For example, I "choose" to eat--but I didn't choose to want to eat.

 

[Ceridwen018]

Has anyone ever seen the movie "Minority Report"? The basic premise, is that in the future, criminals are arrested before they physically commit their crimes, because the foundation of the justice system are three precognicent humans who have visions etc. This is of course very controversial, (How can people be arrested and put in jail for something they haven't even done yet?), but it still stands. Anyway, (if you don't want to know the end, do NOT read on), the 'chief of police', who came up with this system, ends up being cited for a murder, and iwhat it comes down to is that he can either commit the murder and go to jail for life, or not commit it and prove the system wrong.
He commits suiced instead.

A very interesting idea if you ask me. Fits in very nicly with the question of free will still being present among omniscience.

 

[dudley thoth]

Does God's omniscience nulify my freewill?

 

[Master Vigil]

Yes.

 

[Ceridwen018]

That is indeed a very complicated question. My take, is that if god is omniscient, then free will is absolutely nullified. If he already knows what you are going to do, then how is that free will? You can't change it if you wanted, especially because it's written into his 'plan' for your life. I have heard it explained to me that god knows the outcome of each choice, but not what your ultimate decision will be, however if that is true, then god is not omniscient.

So basically, if god is omniscient, then we have no free will. Which leads to the question: how is it fair for some to be sent to hell and others to heaven, if we had no choice in our actions in the first place? How does the theory of predestination fit in with god's common persona as the ever fair, even merciful and loving and perfect god?

 

[dudley thoth]

That is indeed a very complicated question. My take, is that if god is omniscient, then free will is absolutely nullified. If he already knows what you are going to do, then how is that free will? You can't change it if you wanted, especially because it's written into his 'plan' for your life. I have heard it explained to me that god knows the outcome of each choice, but not what your ultimate decision will be, however if that is true, then god is not omniscient.

So basically, if god is omniscient, then we have no free will. Which leads to the question: how is it fair for some to be sent to hell and others to heaven, if we had no choice in our actions in the first place? How does the theory of predestination fit in with god's common persona as the ever fair, even merciful and loving and perfect god?

(I need to get thinking about this.)

But I don't know what I'm going to do.

To me my will is free. What's God omniscience got to do with it?

Ultimately, I suppose, i will follow a single path, but I'm free to choose it.

Am I not?

 

[Lightkeeper]

No, Especially if you believe that God is within you.

 

[dudley thoth]

I have heard it explained to me that god knows the outcome of each choice, but not what your ultimate decision will be, however if that is true, then god is not omniscient.

God must know our Ultimate decision ( are you refering to our accepting or rejecting of God?) otherwise, like you say, he wouldn't be omniscient.

Unless... He chooses not to know.

Would there be any point to that, do you think?

 

[true blood]

How can infinite knowledge effect someone elses power of making free choices unconstrained by external agencies if said person with infinite knowledge doesn't interfer?

Does God have free will? If he's omniscient and all powerful can he set his own constraints of operation and work with in spiritual laws created by himself? On earth we have laws of physics and such.. In the spiritual realm do similar or new laws exist?

 

[painted wolf]

who says god Has to Be omniscient....

perhaps it is as surprized by our actions as we are?

wa:-do