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Is Jesus Christ God?

Fool

Fool

ALL in all
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sojourner said:
No, a human being is a Terran. Jesus was a Terran. Jesus was fully a human being. Jesus was also fully God. God became Incarnate (Jesus). Person refers to a particular identification. Human beings are persons, because they are particular, identifiable and differentiated individuals. Like the Persons of the Trinity. The Father is particular from the Son, the Father is identifiable, and differentiated from the Son.
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no,

http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=person&allowed_in_frame=0

jesus was sent. the ABSOLUTE is omnipresent.

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicks...KJV&searchtype=phrase&spanbegin=47&spanend=73

melchizedek was the son of god too.

christ is all and in all

Colossians 3:11
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.


all prophets are sent with the name

13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.


https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=KJV&quicksearch=prophet+honour&begin=47&end=73
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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This is interesting because there are many names associated with God and Jesus but no one ever says "I am going to pray to I AM" or "I received a blessing from "I AM" And yet this is what He seems to be saying is His name.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Fool said:
no,

http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=person&allowed_in_frame=0

jesus was sent. the ABSOLUTE is omnipresent.

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicks...KJV&searchtype=phrase&spanbegin=47&spanend=73

melchizedek was the son of god too.

christ is all and in all

Colossians 3:11
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.


all prophets are sent with the name

13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.


https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=KJV&quicksearch=prophet+honour&begin=47&end=73
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All I know is what the official doctrine says. And it says that Jesus is fully human and fully Divine; that God became Incarnate in the Person of Jesus. I don't feel the need or have the inclination to protest 1800 years of Apostolic theology -- both Eastern and Western.
 
Fool

Fool

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lostwanderingsoul said:
This is interesting because there are many names associated with God and Jesus but no one ever says "I am going to pray to I AM" or "I received a blessing from "I AM" And yet this is what He seems to be saying is His name.
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you're on to something. go with it.

nuk pu nuk - egyptian and learned by moshe
ahmi yat ahmi - zoroastrian
tat tvam asi - hindu
ahea ashur ahea - chaldean

Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
 
RabbiO

RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
lostwanderingsoul said:
This is interesting because there are many names associated with God and Jesus but no one ever says "I am going to pray to I AM" or "I received a blessing from "I AM" And yet this is what He seems to be saying is His name.
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What does Exodus 3:15 say?

And, as I have pointed out to Fool, the previous verse does not say "I Am."
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Fool said:
the council of nicea is perpetrator of the false church, the one that promotes idolatry.

the trinity as mentioned by 1 John


1 John 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
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I believe the council was faithful to the Biblical record and God's will so you will have to provide evidence if you think the contrary is true..

I believe this is also a trinity but it is not The Trinity.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
RabbiO said:
What does Exodus 3:15 say?

And, as I have pointed out to Fool, the previous verse does not say "I Am."
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I am not sure what you are saying but re-reading the text I can see that God is not using "I am" as His name but is using Jehovah. I am is something that God is saying to identify Himself just as He use the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
sojourner said:
Were eight other people resurrected?
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From March 14, 2007:
Mestemia said:
Interestingly enough, you do not even have to leave the Bible to answer this question:
Elijah raised a child from the dead (1Kings 17:17, 1Kings 21-22);
Samuel said to Saul, "Why hast thou disquietedme, to bring me" (1Sam. 28.7, 11, 15);
Elisha raised the dead son of a Shunammite ( 2 Kings 4:32, 2 Kings 34-35);
a dead man being lowered into a grave revived when he touched the bones of Elisha (2 Kings 13:21);
Moses and Elijah revived at the time of the Transfiguration ( Luke 9:28, 30);
the saints arose at the time of Jesus' death ( Matthew 27:52-53 );
Jairus' daughter rose from the dead (Matthew 9:18, Matthew 23-25 );
the widow at Nain's son rose from the dead (Luke 7:11-15 );
Lazarus rose from the dead ( John 11:43-44 )

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All these happened before Jesus was resurected.
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Fool

Fool

ALL in all
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Muffled said:
I believe the council was faithful to the Biblical record and God's will so you will have to provide evidence if you think the contrary is true..

I believe this is also a trinity but it is not The Trinity.
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gnostic terms are uses throughout the NT; especially in the book of revelation and also by Paul in some of his letter.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/21/books/revelations-by-elaine-pagels.html?_r=0


http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionand...laine-pagels-on-the-book-of-revelation/10372/
 
roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
Fool said:
the council of nicea is perpetrator of the false church, the one that promotes idolatry.


the trinity as mentioned by 1 John


1 John 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
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Are you familiar with what scholars refer to as the “Comma Johanneum”? The oldest known copies of 1st John do not have the following what I had put in bold red.

7. For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.
8. And there are three that bear witness in earth,
the spirit, and the water, and the blood:
and these three agree in one.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
roger1440 said:
Are you familiar with what scholars refer to as the “Comma Johanneum”? The oldest known copies of 1st John do not have the following what I had put in bold red.

7. For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.
8. And there are three that bear witness in earth,
the spirit, and the water, and the blood:
and these three agree in one.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum
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i'm not fixated on words as much as i'm extremely interested in ideas

the trinity is simply the mind, body, and spirit and the three are ONE.


and are you aware that the


http://ocoy.org/original-yoga/christian-insights-on-om-yoga/

http://www.hellosiam.com/html/om.htm

verse in the Vedas: "Prajapati vai idam agre aseet" (In the beginning was Prajapati, the Brahman): "Tasya vag dvitiya aseet" (Withwhom was the Word): "Vag vai paramam Brahma" (And the Word was verily the Supreme Brahman). The idea belongs to Hinduism and in the fourth Gospel of the New Testament we read it repeated; "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.".


Revelation 16:12
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.


Genesis 25:6
But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.


Genesis 11:2
And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
 
Fool

Fool

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roger1440 said:
But the ideas are expressed with words. Without knowing what words mean a person will not know what the idea is.
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true, but every definition of a word must be considered in reference to it's usage.


again, two words can be synonymous and mean the same thing in some instances and in another be convey a different idea.

don't get hung up on the words at the expense of what they convey.
 
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