Is Jesus divine - a son of God?

[Argamemnon]

Hi all, I have just registered. I'm a Muslim and would like to learn more about Christianity. Is Jesus the son of God in a physical sense? Is he divine, is he "God" according to Christians? And are there any Christians who do not believe Jesus is divine? Thanks in advance.

 

[Katzpur]

Hi all, I have just registered. I'm a Muslim and would like to learn more about Christianity. Is Jesus the son of God in a physical sense? Is he divine, is he "God" according to Christians? And are there any Christians who do not believe Jesus is divine? Thanks in advance.

I am a Christian who believes that Jesus is the "Only Begotten" Son of God, which means that He is literally the Son of the Living God. They have a true father-son relationship, although Jesus was conceived by miraculous means and not by sexual relations. Therefore, God is His "literal" Father; Mary is His "literal" mother. Jesus Christ and His Father are as physically distinct from one another as you are from your own father.

He is divine because He interited the attributes of divinity from His Father. He shares all of the attributes and qualities that make His Father divine. He is perfect, just as His Father is perfect. He is, however, subordinate in rank to His Father. He was sent to Earth to do His Father's will. He took instruction from His Father, prayed to His Father, etc. He even said that God was not only His Father, but His God.

I believe that Jehovah's Witnesses may not consider Jesus to be divine, but I'm not 100% positive about that.

 

[Dunemeister]

Traditional Christianity does not say Jesus is the literal son of God. God is a spirit and does not have a physical body. So there can be no question of physical relationship between the Father and the Son. Traditional Christians use "Son of God" in its more Jewish sense, as a phrase denoting someone specially called out by God. Of course, there is something special about the sonship of Jesus. He is the "only-begotten" Son of God (John 3). Another rendering of "only-begotten" is "unique". So Jesus' sonship is unique, but whatever else that means, it does NOT mean that there's a physical relationship between the Father and the Son.

 

[Charity]

Welcome to the RF I believe Jesus to be the Son of God

 

[Mister Emu]

Jesus is not the Son of God in a literal physical sense... but a relationship standpoint...

Jesus is Divine, and is fully God...

There may be some who claim Christianity that do not proclaim the divinty of Jesus...

 

[herushura]

Jesus is a Man who personifies the Suns annual journey throught the Zodiac, he also personifies the end of aries and beginning of Pisces

 

[Argamemnon]

Thank you everyone for your replies. I assume that there are differing views in Christianity like in Islam and other religions. According to us Muslims God can't have a son. He is unique and can in no way be compared to a human being, or any other creature, as He is the creator of everything. But I think you already know this. Thanks again for the answers.

 

[sandandfoam]

Traditional Christianity does not say Jesus is the literal son of God. God is a spirit and does not have a physical body. So there can be no question of physical relationship between the Father and the Son. Traditional Christians use "Son of God" in its more Jewish sense, as a phrase denoting someone specially called out by God. Of course, there is something special about the sonship of Jesus. He is the "only-begotten" Son of God (John 3). Another rendering of "only-begotten" is "unique". So Jesus' sonship is unique, but whatever else that means, it does NOT mean that there's a physical relationship between the Father and the Son.

I'd like to try and follow what you mean. Do you believe in the Nicene creed? If you do, and there is no physical relationship between Father and Son, how do you square that with His becoming incarnate of the Virgin Mary?

eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

 

[herushura]

eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

Equals

eternally begotten of the sky,
Sunrise from Sunset, Day from Night,
true sun from true sky,
begotten, not made,
of one Sun with the Sky.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from the sky:
by the power of the Wind
he became Born from the Virgo,
and was made A Sun.

 

[Katzpur]

Traditional Christianity does not say Jesus is the literal son of God. God is a spirit and does not have a physical body.

[/quote]The Bible says that God is [a] spirit. The Bible does not say that God has no physical body.

 

[Dunemeister]

I'd like to try and follow what you mean. Do you believe in the Nicene creed? If you do, and there is no physical relationship between Father and Son, how do you square that with His becoming incarnate of the Virgin Mary?

That's actually fairly simple. Jesus is not the physical son of God. God is not a man. Mary was not impregnated by sperm but by an intensely intimate miracle. There's no physical genetic relationship between the Father and the Son. Thus the Incarnation does not stand as a refutation of my argument. Indeed, it underscores it.

 

[Dunemeister]

The Bible says that God is [a] spirit. The Bible does not say that God has no physical body.

God is spirit = God is nonphysical. That is, unless words have lost their meaning.

 

[herushura]

God is spirit = God is nonphysical. That is, unless words have lost their meaning.

If God is a Spirit, he is the Wind or a Air God.

The Egyptian Air god was called Shu, Y-SHU = Jesus

Spirit comes from the hebrew word rauch meaning Breath/Air/Wind

Words have loss there meaning

 

[sandandfoam]

That's actually fairly simple. Jesus is not the physical son of God. God is not a man. Mary was not impregnated by sperm but by an intensely intimate miracle. There's no physical genetic relationship between the Father and the Son. Thus the Incarnation does not stand as a refutation of my argument. Indeed, it underscores it.

Thanks. I get it now.

 

[herushura]

Thanks. I get it now.

No you dont.

The Trinity - Son-Father-Holy Spirit.

If you look closely at the trinity you would work out that it is saying
The Son becomes the Father and matures and then ages(dying).

Son = Dawn (Rising Sun)
Father = Noon (Most High "Sun")
Holy Spirit = Evening (Setting "Sun")

6 AM
6 Hours betweeen (Dawn and Noon) or (Noon to Evening)
6 PM

 

[sandandfoam]

No you dont.

I wanted to know what Dunemeister meant. Now I do.

 

[herushura]

That's actually fairly simple. Jesus is the physical sun of the sky. God is not a man (he the sun). Mary(virgo) was not impregnated by sperm(darkness) but by an intensely intimate miracle(movement). There's no physical genetic relationship between the Father(noon) and the Son(dawn). Thus the Incarnation does not stand as a refutation of my argument. Indeed, it underscores it.

 

[Dunemeister]

If God is a Spirit, he is the Wind or a Air God.

The Egyptian Air god was called Shu, Y-SHU = Jesus

Spirit comes from the hebrew word rauch meaning Breath/Air/Wind

Words have loss there meaning

Apparently, you've never heard of metaphor.

 

[herushura]

Apparently, you've never heard of metaphor.

Well when people say everyone has a Spirit, they are litterly saying Everyone (Breaths) as wind withen them.

When the Spirit has left the body, the body is dead because they are not breathing anymore.

Logical not metaphorical

 

[Katzpur]

God is spirit = God is nonphysical. That is, unless words have lost their meaning.

The Greek word "pneuma" was translated as "spirit" in John 4:24; it was translated as "life" in Revelation 13:15. God is, therefore, "life." God is also "light" and "love." These are some of His many attributes, just as "pneuma" is, whether you translate it as "spirit" or as "life." These words don't describe His physical appearance, but none of them imply that He is non-physical. That's just your own interpretation. Raymond E. Brown (perhaps the world's leading authority on John's gospel -- and not a Latter-day Saint, by the way) says that the reference to God being "spirit" is "not an essential definition of God, but... means that God is spirit torward men because He gives the spirit which begets them anew."

If we carry your statement "God is spirit = God is nonphysical" to its logical conclusion, then Jesus was not God. He pointed out to His Apostles following His resurrection that He was not merely spirit but flesh and bones. You can't have it both ways, Dunemeister. You can't say that (1) God is non-physical, that (2) Jesus Christ is physical, and that (3) Jesus Christ is God. One final thought... When Jesus Apostles first saw Him, they were afraid because they thought they'd seen a spirit. How could they see something that was non-physical. Don't you find it odd that Jesus never pointed this out to them? He told them that He had a physical body (given new life by His spirit, after having been dead for three days), but He didn't even question the concept that they thought they'd seen a spirit. He didn't correct them and say that a spirit is invisible. You seem to think it is, but He didn't and neither did they.