JesusIsTheWay
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Personally, I believe so. What do you think?
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Is Jesus The Only Way To Heaven?
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JesusIsTheWay
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Why is that?
Personally, I believe that because the Bible says it.
Draka
Wonder Woman
Not that I like repeating myself from another thread, but here goes:
If your "god" is so full of love for his creations then why would he condemn over half the planet for "not knowing any better"??? Religion is mainly a hereditary and geographical thing. One who is raised in a region where another religion is dominant and passed down through their family and never exposed to the teachings of your Christ would therefore "not know any better". As long as they led a good and fruitful kind life why would they ever be denied eternal rest by a "god" who is supposedly just and loving? How can he condemn those who have never "met" him???
This is the reason for my answer of "NO". I believe in Summerland and the option to rest there between lives, but if that be your Heaven you speak of then I don't believe that "Jesus" is the only way to get there.
If your "god" is so full of love for his creations then why would he condemn over half the planet for "not knowing any better"??? Religion is mainly a hereditary and geographical thing. One who is raised in a region where another religion is dominant and passed down through their family and never exposed to the teachings of your Christ would therefore "not know any better". As long as they led a good and fruitful kind life why would they ever be denied eternal rest by a "god" who is supposedly just and loving? How can he condemn those who have never "met" him???
This is the reason for my answer of "NO". I believe in Summerland and the option to rest there between lives, but if that be your Heaven you speak of then I don't believe that "Jesus" is the only way to get there.
personally the idea of jesus being the only way to god just never sat well with me. whats the point in having a middle man? it also seems a little pagan to me considering that christanity is supose to be a non pagan religion. and like what was said before, why would god condem over half of the worlds population because they had no clue of who jesus is. perhaps the whole jesus being the only way into heaven is how they came up with the idea of justifying the missionary bit.
Master Vigil
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Personally, for me... Jesus was a man, a wonderful man, but a man nonetheless. Jesus is not and never was "a way."
fromthe heart
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If you believe in the Bible and I do...it says"I am the way the Truth and the Light;No man cometh unto the Father but by Me", Jesus said it and given His senority in those who walked the earth...I believe He is the ONLY way.
I am very happy for you, you are content with your Religious dictates, and that is a blessing. From my own perspective, I personally disagree with the interpretation of that passage, but I may well be wrong; but who cares, we differ in our beliefs, but I respect yours, as I hope you do mine.fromthe heart said:If you believe in the Bible and I do...it says"I am the way the Truth and the Light;No man cometh unto the Father but by Me", Jesus said it and given His senority in those who walked the earth...I believe He is the ONLY way.
fromthe heart
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I most certianly respect your beliefs...I believe they used to be more the same as mine??? I respect everyones beliefs but who's to say who's right...The Bible says it and didn't you used to believe that?michel said:I am very happy for you, you are content with your Religious dictates, and that is a blessing. From my own perspective, I personally disagree with the interpretation of that passage, but I may well be wrong; but who cares, we differ in our beliefs, but I respect yours, as I hope you do mine.
If you belive the Bible then its really the only conclusion you can come too after reading verses like the following,
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved Acts 4:12
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
Jesus answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him. John 14:6-7
Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:4-6
I also belive it makes sense that for us to get into heaven Christ had to suffer and die the way he did. God being Just and Holy must punish sin so couldnt let us into heaven without doing so, so either we pay for our sins in hell or Jesus does on the cross. Its the best news there is, i belive , the fact God even gave us the option to avoid his wrath and anger at sin is awsome. I dont really understand why anyone dislikes the gospel of the bible, a free gift from God for people who really dont deserve it, what stops you from excepting it?
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved Acts 4:12
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
Jesus answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him. John 14:6-7
Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:4-6
I also belive it makes sense that for us to get into heaven Christ had to suffer and die the way he did. God being Just and Holy must punish sin so couldnt let us into heaven without doing so, so either we pay for our sins in hell or Jesus does on the cross. Its the best news there is, i belive
, the fact God even gave us the option to avoid his wrath and anger at sin is awsome. I dont really understand why anyone dislikes the gospel of the bible, a free gift from God for people who really dont deserve it, what stops you from excepting it?
scitsofreaky
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But is it truely just if someone else pays our debts?
I personally can't really say if there is anything beyond this life. But, if there is something beyond, I wouldn't doubt it is not unlike this life. In the universe, nothing ceases to exist, but it can change form, so it isn't inconceivable that if there is something to us beyond the physical that it too would not cease to exist. But, if there is no heaven or any afterlife, so be it, there is really nothing we can do about that, and if so, we wont care because to do so we would have to exist.
meogi
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Well, assuming there is a heaven:
I don't know. There's too many possibilities out there to think that one and only one is the correct way. That's not to say there isn't just one, though. So I don't know.
Regardless, no one (diety included) has convinced me of a diety, so I find worrying about such things kinda pointless.
I don't know. There's too many possibilities out there to think that one and only one is the correct way. That's not to say there isn't just one, though. So I don't know.
Regardless, no one (diety included) has convinced me of a diety, so I find worrying about such things kinda pointless.
Druidus
Keeper of the Grove
As others have said, condemning over 5/6ths of the human population (1/6th of the population are Christians), merely because they were brought up in a different culture, or recieved no indication of who to pray to or whatnot, is utter lunacy and certainly not an indication of a just, loving, God. A God who expects his creations to believe what they are told with no active thought in the matter obviously is not looking for free will, either.
Jesus was a good man. But he was not a God, in my opinion, just a man, struggling to bring peace and love to an Earth that had forsaken it. For this, he was honourable, and has a place in my books, but I will not worship him.
Most of those who don't believe in the Christian God, or Jesus, do so because they recieved no indication that they should not. They believe what they are taught, in their culture. You don't get spontaneous Muslims sprouting out from Catholic families, without a cultural exchange, and vice versa. Sadly, some people don't get such opportunites.
Jesus was a good man. But he was not a God, in my opinion, just a man, struggling to bring peace and love to an Earth that had forsaken it. For this, he was honourable, and has a place in my books, but I will not worship him.
Most of those who don't believe in the Christian God, or Jesus, do so because they recieved no indication that they should not. They believe what they are taught, in their culture. You don't get spontaneous Muslims sprouting out from Catholic families, without a cultural exchange, and vice versa. Sadly, some people don't get such opportunites.
The Black Whirlwind
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as everyone else has said, jesus was a wonderful man who did great things by trying to bring peace and harmony to the world, but i dont think he was a god. he should be revered, not worshipped. I do not think he is the only way to the force, but one of many.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
It doesn't matter if you believe in the Bible or not. The truth is the truth whether you accept it or not.
Many have condemned God & Jesus for condemning "half of the world". We condemned ourselves. Jesus has come to save us, not condemn us.
When the Carpathia arrived on the scene of the Titanic's demise, none of the victims condemned it for not rescuing EVERYONE. They had already been condemned to their watery graves, but the Carpathia intervened in the best way it knew how and saved as many as it could. There was no sacrifice on the part of the Carpthia except some time.
It's the same with God. Jesus is the only way to be saved, so why condemn him for it? In fact, God gave his only son to save us. The ultimate in sacrifice.
Many have condemned God & Jesus for condemning "half of the world". We condemned ourselves. Jesus has come to save us, not condemn us.
When the Carpathia arrived on the scene of the Titanic's demise, none of the victims condemned it for not rescuing EVERYONE. They had already been condemned to their watery graves, but the Carpathia intervened in the best way it knew how and saved as many as it could. There was no sacrifice on the part of the Carpthia except some time.
It's the same with God. Jesus is the only way to be saved, so why condemn him for it? In fact, God gave his only son to save us. The ultimate in sacrifice.
Melody
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My God is loving, righteous, merciful and just. He doesn't condemn people for not "knowing any better" and He doesn't play Russian Roulet with our souls. Do I totally understand how he accomplishes this? Nope...but I have faith that God won't send anyone to hell who doesn't deserve it.Draka said:
JesusIsTheWay
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Well see heres the thing. We all deserve it! Me included. For example, what is your definition of a good person? Somebody who does right in mans eyes? If you murdered somebody that makes you a murder. And nobody respects murders. Yes, there are Christians that have killed (ex Crusades and such) I do not agree with those actions. But anyway back to my point. If you lie that makes you a liar. If you steal that makes you a theif. If you look lustfully upon somebody your an adulter. Who hasen't done that? Are those things good? Yes, we all do them, they're common among humans. So what makes us not deserve it? He treats us much better then we deserve. And God is loving. He is love.
Heres the thing. We are judged according to our accountibility. He is just and fair, He will not send somebody to hell if they are in innocence. I'm not sure exactly how God will judge them, but I trust He will be just in His judgement. As Christians, it is our job to tell the world about Christ. And if we don't, the blood is on our hands. But thats getting off topic.
Exactly, John 3:14-17 says this, "Then everyone who has faith in the Son of Man [Jesus] will hve eternal life. God loved the people of this world so much that He gave His only Son, so tht everyone who has faith in Him will have eternal life and never really die. God did not send His Son into the world to condemn its people. He sent Him to save them!" (CEV) God offered us a way out of hell, Jesus Christ. How is that unfair or unjust? He longed to spent eternity with us so much, that He sent His Son to die for our sins and gave Him the punishment we deserve. What to know true love? Its found only in one place.
Umm... okay. He is giving us free will. He will never "force" Himself down anybodies throat. Its our own decision if we follow Him or not. We have free will to decide, its just we can decide eternal torment and pain, or eternal life and happines. Its a choice.
When it is the Son of God, yes.
Salvation is like somebody walking up and handing you say, $4 billion dollars (US & salvation is priceless) for absolutely no reason. Absurd huh? Well thats what God is doing. Hes passing out the free gift of salvation, with the only requirement is repenting of your sins and doing His will.
Well thats all I've got to say for now. Have a good night/day.
- David