Hawk Flint
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You're welcome. Let me know when you start that thread and I'll chime in. [emoji5]
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Is Jesus the Son of God?
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You're welcome. Let me know when you start that thread and I'll chime in. [emoji5]
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everything is the offspring of god.
John
1:2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
Acts
17:28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’
Psalms
82:6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’
psychoslice
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I speak to him every time I meet someone, its just that most are ignorant of his presence, I myself have also realized the Christ with, so a big hello to you Christ.
psychoslice
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Thanks for the link, but I don't believe Jesus actually existed.
you're welcome. I'm not a worshiper of the personality myself. I agree that it's irrelevant whether there really was a man, or not, but there is some very good wisdom attributed to him, or who ever uttered these insights
I see someone else has started a thread on the Trinity so I'll put that on hold for now. In the interim you may like to comment on the abomination of Desolation thread I've just started. Best Wishes.
Abomination of Desolation
psychoslice
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Yes I certainly can agree with that.
Hawk Flint
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Oh hey I didn't see this. You're welcome. It's just knowledge I gained by the will of God I take no credit.
I have insufficient knowledge for this, but I can point you to a biblical ministries that I listen to to increase my knowledge.
Their website is here,
119 Ministries
And this is their playlist that deals with this abomination thing.
End of Days Series: End of Days Series - YouTube
I haven't watched this yet but will soon. They are extremely biblical and so I think that they will have a good view.
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Thanks for that. Its good to have resources readily available. Part of my spiritual journey currently is to better understand ALL the bible. Looking specifically at the words of Jesus on His final sermon has assisted me to gain a profound new insight into some of the Book of Daniel and also book of revelation. I'm here on RF much more than to teach. In this way I will more about other Faiths as well as my own. From a posture of humility we can learn the most.
The Baha'i Founder Baha'u'llah writes with profound heartfelt love for the "Son of Man":
‘Know thou,’ Bahá'u'lláh has moreover testified, ‘that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive and resplendent Spirit. We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened and the soul of the sinner sanctified.... He it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him.’”
Shoghi Effendi
‘Know thou,’ Bahá'u'lláh has moreover testified, ‘that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive and resplendent Spirit. We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened and the soul of the sinner sanctified.... He it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him.’”
Shoghi Effendi
He was murdered....Can see with statements like that how you could be confused with Paul and John.
The rest of that paragraph doesn't fit with what is going to happen, do you not realize the whole world shall be judged for accepting the blood of a Heavenly messenger on their hands, there isn't any free grace or reward from it, instead the complete opposite.
He was murdered....Can see with statements like that how you could be confused with Paul and John.
The rest of that paragraph doesn't fit with what is going to happen, do you not realize the whole world shall be judged for accepting the blood of a Heavenly messenger on their hands, there isn't any free grace or reward from it, instead the complete opposite.
No He chose to sacrifice Himself. Of those who could not see His purpose, even His greatest disciple Peter who did not understand it He called Satan!
Matthew 16:22-24
"Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me."
May HIs Blessings and peace upon us all
He allowed the fulfillment of prophecy for the plan; yet he spent the whole night praying/begging God to not let it be.
The part you're quoting is a reference to Zechariah 3:1-2 where Yehoshua came to cut of Jerusalem, Simon's rejection of the plan, wasn't only about Yehoshua's death, which is why why Yehoshua called him satan and peter (stumbling stone) at that point only, which is then fulfillment of Zechariah 3:9.
The whole world has been set up, and Simon helped mislead everyone, which is why he was a stumbling stone (petros).
P.s Why on earth would Yeshua sacrifice himself, since it is totally against the Law of God?
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paarsurrey
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No He chose to sacrifice Himself.
Regards
No He chose to sacrifice Himself.
And Jesus prayers were heard. He was sure he won't die on the Cross. And that is what happened. Please
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Actually no, that is totally off the rails; the Quran said he was to die, the prophets say he was to die....
If it wasn't him who died, then none of the prophets or authors are right, and instead a group of argumentative people, who've got no knowledge of it are right thousands of years after.
paarsurrey
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"If it wasn't him who died"Actually no, that is totally off the rails; the Quran said he was to die, the prophets say he was to die....
If it wasn't him who died, then none of the prophets or authors are right, and instead a group of argumentative people, who've got no knowledge of it are right thousands of years after.
Bible itself says that Jesus was saved from death on the Cross:
Hebrews 5:7
During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
Hebrews 5:7 During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
Please,
Regards
You're reading that out of context as well; read the next line 'which said he suffered the things', not that he didn't.
If you read the whole of the books, and not just quote one line totally out of contexts; it makes more contextual sense, and is clear you've now done that with both the Quran and Bible.
If you understood prophecy, you wouldn't even question it was Yeshua who was put to death.
Isaiah 53 states, because of his submission he is given authority to judge the nations, to share his inheritance with the strong in faith, to state who shall be allowed into the Messianic age.
Basically Yeshua received the Book of Life, to add or remove who he chooses.
If it wasn't him, then the whole of prophecy is flawed in multiple religious texts around the world.
You refer to the following verse in the Holy Quran:
"And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain". Sura. 4:157
Christians and Baha'i believe that Jesus was crucified. I believe this verse refers to Him not being 'spiritually' crucified, or put another way they killed Him physically but not spiritually. That would be consistent with Christian belief.
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Another point of consideration in regards to the Son of God designation of Jesus as related to the Divine mystery of the virgin birth. Such a claim seems to refute that Jesus was a fulfilment of Isaiah 11:1-9 as there is a question as to whether He was descended through the root of Jesse. This according to Jewish customs would require His father to be Joseph, not Mary or Joseph as His adopted father. Besides the remaining verses seem better suited to the second coming of Christ and not Christ Himself.