Is Kali the Hindu equivalent of Satan?

[Aupmanyav]

I think some of the discrimination, (gender, class, race, age) looking at the broader picture has definitely seen improvement.

I agree to that, but Raj Dharma was down in dumps, each day we are learning about what was happening in the last few years. We see some improvement with Modi at the helm and hope for more.

Yes, Starry, Kaliyuga is no excuse for indulging in adharmic actions.

 

[Terese]

I think I might have been misunderstood. I wasn't saying that because of how things are we should stop doing good deeds; I was saying that some people use Kali Yuga as an excuse for why things are the way they are and then bemoan about how nothing can be done. Something that isn't too entirely different from some Christians talking about how the end times are here and then bemoaning about how things can't be done.

Oh i see. Gotchya.

 

[Vinayaka]

I was saying that some people use Kali Yuga as an excuse for why things are the way they are and then bemoan about how nothing can be done.

The instinctive (selfish) mind has a very large bank of excuses. When one is overridden, another one seems to magically appear.

 

[wizanda]

Is he a metaphor of ignorance? Or a real being?

Everything is a metaphor, it is all part of the Lila (game of God), and we're in the Maya.

Kalki and the rider in Revelations both come on a white horse, to bring the dawn of Satya Yuga/Messianic age.

Kali stepped on Shiva after destroying Raktavija (blood seed), by drinking its blood, and stopping the many little ones spreading.

So Kali isn't Satan; Kali is the way to eliminate the little ones.

Satan means an accuser, Devil means a slanderer....They are both demons/viruses that infect people, not a deity.

Yeshua might be Shiva, they're both known as the lord of the dance, both eternally youthful, both bring salvation and destruction, etc.

Christians means little followers of Christ, and they believe they drink his blood to gain eternal life.

It could be possible that the Mother of all Harlots is Kali; since they're both there to catch out the iniquity.

 

[Vinayaka]

Not all Hindus believe in 'Kalki', or end times. Never heard of Yeshua.

 

[sayak83]

Satan is a twisted word from the Sanskrit word. The Sanskrit word which gave birth to this word is Shaitan if am not wrong. Muslims also in my opinion should refer to it as Shaitan only.

Umm no. Shaitan is not a sanskrit word. Its a loan word from Farsi to Hindi I believe.

 

[Purusha]

Umm no. Shaitan is not a sanskrit word. Its a loan word from Farsi to Hindi I believe.

There are people in rural places or some evil maantrikas who does black magic right? Whom do they pray during this process?

Chetabadi and banamati are dangerous processes employed in killing a person and I knew of some instances they have been adopted with effect...what they will worship during this?

 

[sayak83]

There are people in rural places or some evil maantrikas who does black magic right? Whom do they pray during this process?

Chetabadi and banamati are dangerous processes employed in killing a person and I knew of some instances they have been adopted with effect...what they will worship during this?

There are lots of locally believed spirits and deities and ancestors. Many Hindus believe that these will give you boons if you worship them with devotion. And the boons can be wishes for harming or cursing others with magic. Devotion and tapas gains you power (or so Hindus believe) which one can use for good or evil. Atharva Veda itself has lots of mantras for hexes and curses to harm enemies. And do not forget that Asura-s gained power through devotion to Siva or Vishnu and used that to overthrow the gods many times. Hard work is always rewarded, regardless of intention. But if the intentions are bad, the eventual outcome will always be bad for you because of the nature of the evil actions themselves and how they affect the psychology of the evil doer, acting as source of delusions and self-destruction through avarice and arrogance and animus.

 

[Purusha]

There are lots of locally believed spirits and deities and ancestors. Many Hindus believe that these will give you boons if you worship them with devotion. And the boons can be wishes for harming or cursing others with magic. Devotion and tapas gains you power (or so Hindus believe) which one can use for good or evil. Atharva Veda itself has lots of mantras for hexes and curses to harm enemies. And do not forget that Asura-s gained power through devotion to Siva or Vishnu and used that to overthrow the gods many times. Hard work is always rewarded, regardless of intention. But if the intentions are bad, the eventual outcome will always be bad for you because of the nature of the evil actions themselves and how they affect the psychology of the evil doer, acting as source of delusions and self-destruction through avarice and arrogance and animus.

I have never heard that those who do these evil magic pray either Siva/ Vishnu.(Also Siva only gives boons to asuras/good alike, there is no episode of Vishnu giving boons to asuras as far as I know) Rakshasas and asuras are a different caste/jati altogether. Now these people are different, they pray to the evil or most closely related to pretas as far as I know.

 

[SomeRandom]

Everything is a metaphor, it is all part of the Lila (game of God), and we're in the Maya.

Kalki and the rider in Revelations both come on a white horse, to bring the dawn of Satya Yuga/Messianic age.

Kali stepped on Shiva after destroying Raktavija (blood seed), by drinking its blood, and stopping the many little ones spreading.

So Kali isn't Satan; Kali is the way to eliminate the little ones.

Satan means an accuser, Devil means a slanderer....They are both demons/viruses that infect people, not a deity.

Yeshua might be Shiva, they're both known as the lord of the dance, both eternally youthful, both bring salvation and destruction, etc.

Christians means little followers of Christ, and they believe they drink his blood to gain eternal life.

It could be possible that the Mother of all Harlots is Kali; since they're both there to catch out the iniquity.

I think you might have misunderstood. There is the Goddess Kali and there is also a metaphorical demon coincidentally called Kali. Completely different entities. Well so to speak.
Kali is the direct enemy of Vishnu (Kalki) and the personification of Adhamic action (sin.)
But the two ideas (demon Kali and the Christian Devil) aren't entirely interchangeable, though there is some similarity.

 

[wizanda]

I think you might have misunderstood.

You're not getting what i was saying if you think that.... I was trying to show the different metaphors, how they exist within their own contexts, and how then they might be cross referenced.

There is the Goddess Kali and there is also a metaphorical demon coincidentally called Kali.

To assume that Kali Yuga, and the story of Kali killing Raktavija, with Shiva is coincidental, when nothing happens by chance, shows how you've misunderstood the Lila.

But the two ideas (demon Kali and the Christian Devil) aren't entirely interchangeable, though there is some similarity.

I'd not cross reference the two ideas, as there isn't justification to do so; yet within the Lela of the Bible, the Mother of all Harlots is to catch out the workers of iniquity, who drink the blood of the saints.

And Kali drinks the blood of the demons to eliminate them, so it is a possibility that Kali is the Mother of All Harlots.

Kali is the direct enemy of Vishnu (Kalki) and the personification of Adhamic action (sin.)

Those following the Mother of All Harlots aren't our enemy, they're just confused souls who've been misled.

Think where we're not seeing eye to eye, is I've been to hell within a NDE; there is no devil, there are people who've got character viruses.

The Bible account when read properly, could be talking about these viruses, and not about some deity; the same applies to the Hindu texts, that it is referring to the same, and we're so busy excusing ourselves, we fail to realize it is talking about us.

So whereas i was trying to understand the metaphors for what they state, there seems to be a lot of additional faulty presuppositions people have applied.

Not all Hindus believe in 'Kalki', or end times. Never heard of Yeshua.

Just as some people don't accept Satya Yuga, doesn't mean it isn't happening soon, and just as some people don't know Yeshua's words or teachings, the same exist across the world in different forms, it is following righteousness that is important, not the person.

 

[Aupmanyav]

It could be possible that the Mother of all Harlots is Kali; since they're both there to catch out the iniquity.

Objection to the usage. Kali is the mother of the whole universe.

 

[StarryNightshade]

Don't you love it when non-Hindus try and, essentially, tell Hindus that they don't really know what they believe or are talking about?

Because I sure do.

 

[Jainarayan]

There is the Goddess Kali and there is also a metaphorical demon coincidentally called Kali. Completely different entities.

Not to mention that the pronunciations are completely different.
Goddess: Kālī (Kaa-lee). Long a, long i.
"Demon": Kali (Kuh-lih; meh, it's close). Short a, short i.

Pronunciation is everything. Mālā = prayer beads, mala = "biological waste", dirt.

 

[Vinayaka]

Don't you love it when non-Hindus try and, essentially, tell Hindus that they don't really know what they believe or are talking about?

Because I sure do.

I though Big Bang Theory did a pretty good job when Raj took Howard up to the the Malibu temple.

But the idea of someone else knowing more applies to other things too, when a person's ego is unable to admit they don't know EVERYTHING. I've had lots of people tell me all kinds of things about the history of the temple I go to. (Because I'm white, they just assume I'm new, or more or less an outsider.) Generally I just smile and listen. But, you're right, it can be quite humourous.

 

[wizanda]

Objection to the usage. Kali is the mother of the whole universe.

Wow talk about more confusion, Kali the deity isn't the Mother of all Harlots, the age of Kali Yuga, and those who are following what is morally wrong are....and it is possible that Kali helped established the way to remove those who follow it.

If you go back to the first post, what was trying to do is understand each metaphor within its additional contexts.

So Kali helps eliminate the blood seed (Raktavija), which is equal to the Mother of all Harlots in the Bible helping remove those who accept the innocent blood of the saints.

You see the Mother of all Harlots is actually doing something useful, by eliminating those who would swear falsely, and steal what isn't theirs.

tell Hindus that they don't really know what they believe or are talking about?

People have lots of beliefs, and there is no guaranteed they've got it right, personally just trying to work out when we place the matching metaphors together, is there any sense to it all; yet if people then interject with that isn't what is commonly believed, when we actually don't know if these things fit together in some way we've not observed, would be careful to examine the evidence first.

 

[Aupmanyav]

So Kali helps eliminate the blood seed (Raktavija), which is equal to the Mother of all Harlots in the Bible helping remove those who accept the innocent blood of the saints.

What do Hindus have to do with Bible? We are happy with our own books.

 

[wizanda]

What do Hindus have to do with Bible?

There are interlinking metaphors and prophecies between them, as saying earlier....Therefore they're both part of the whole; Yeshua was an avatar just like the rest.

So when the Messianic age/Satya Yuga is soon, it would be good to understand any contexts that help us see.

Plus this topic was on if they fit together, so its a bit of a silly question within that context.

 

[Jainarayan]

Yeshua was an avatar just like the rest.

Avatar of whom? There is no canonical Hindu scripture that mentions him as an avatar of God. The Bhaviṣya Purāṇa is not well-regarded. The "prophecies" are a modern invention.

 

[StarryNightshade]

Avatar of whom? There is no canonical Hindu scripture that mentions him as an avatar of God. The Bhaviṣya Purāṇa is not well-regarded. The "prophecies" are a modern invention.

It's amazing how many try to push it as authentic, though.