Is Kali the Hindu equivalent of Satan?

[Aupmanyav]

Wizanda, friend, this is Hinduism forum. How we are concerned if Yeshua or whatever was an avatara of your God or not?

 

[wizanda]

Avatar of whom?

Yeshua might be Shiva, they're both known as the lord of the dance, both eternally youthful, both bring salvation and destruction, etc.

There is no canonical Hindu scripture that mentions him as an avatar of God.

Kalki and the rider in Revelations both come on a white horse, to bring the dawn of Satya Yuga/Messianic age.

The "prophecies" are a modern invention.

Depends how you view them, there has been Lila since the beginning of time, it is just our perception of it that might be off.

How we are concerned if Yeshua of whatever was an avatara of your God or not?

It was to show context of the question being asked, based on the text overall; personally accept all of it, and don't differentiate it being separate, and thought that would still be Hindu?

Wasn't asserting, just questioning if the concepts could interlink contextually.

 

[Jainarayan]

Depends how you view them, there has been Lila since the beginning of time, it is just our perception of it that might be off.

It was to show context of the question being asked, based on the text overall; personally accept all of it, and don't differentiate it being separate, and thought that would still be Hindu?

Wasn't asserting, just questioning if the concepts could interlink contextually.

Convergent evolution: animal and plant species, languages, mythological stories. It doesn't mean there is a relationship, and very often, almost always, there isn't. Many religions, mythologies, belief systems have similar end times stories with a god or righteous hero returning. Baldur comes to mind in Norse mythology. In Revelation, however, it is not (a) God who comes with the sword. That's where the similarity ends; really before it gets started.

At any rate, I'm going to end this for my part because this isn't discussing Hinduism itself. It's already gone into Comparative Religionland and getting dangerously close to debating in this DIR.

 

[Aupmanyav]

It was to show context of the question being asked, based on the text overall; personally accept all of it, and don't differentiate it being separate, and thought that would still be Hindu?

I quite understand your point and appreciate it, but see, there are various levels of truth. At the mundane level there are differences and it is not practical to disregard the differences. Of course, at the highest level, things are different and there are no differences at all. You must have seen us discussing the 'Vyavaharika Satya' (Pragmatic truth) and 'Parmarthika Satya' (Truth at the highest level).

 

[SomeRandom]

Not to mention that the pronunciations are completely different.
Goddess: Kālī (Kaa-lee). Long a, long i.
"Demon": Kali (Kuh-lih; meh, it's close). Short a, short i.

Pronunciation is everything. Mālā = prayer beads, mala = "biological waste", dirt.

Yes. I have accidentally insulted a few people due to my poor pronunciation lol

 

[SomeRandom]

Before I start. Some reference points for you, friend.

This is the Kali the OP was talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_(demon)

This is the Kali you keep referring to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali

You're not getting what i was saying if you think that.... I was trying to show the different metaphors, how they exist within their own contexts, and how then they might be cross referenced.

If that's the case, you might want to recheck the specific context of the metaphors you are referring to.

o assume that Kali Yuga, and the story of Kali killing Raktavija, with Shiva is coincidental, when nothing happens by chance, shows how you've misunderstood the Lila.

You do know that the Kali Yuga is not named for Kali Maa, which is the specific Kali you are talking about, right?
There are two. Very distinct.
Kali, the demon, which is the specific Kali the OP cited, is the manifestation of adharmic actions. (Or sin if you prefer.)
And Kali Maa is the Kali you are referring to.
Yes, nothing is coincidental, but I was referring to the fact that both have the same name (albeit pronounced differently.)

I'd not cross reference the two ideas, as there isn't justification to do so; yet within the Lela of the Bible, the Mother of all Harlots is to catch out the workers of iniquity, who drink the blood of the saints.

And Kali drinks the blood of the demons to eliminate them, so it is a possibility that Kali is the Mother of All Harlots.

Again, entirely WRONG Kali. You are referring to the Goddess Kali in Hinduism when the OP specifically cited the DEMON Kali in Hinduism. You want to talk about context? Kindly use the proper one then.

Those following the Mother of All Harlots aren't our enemy, they're just confused souls who've been misled.

Uhh, what?
I said that Kali (DEMON) is the direct enemy of Kalki the incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Because Kali (DEMON) represents sin. No one, not even the worst "sinner" is an enemy. But the concept of Adharma as personified by Kali (DEMON) is in direct conflict with Dharma, and therefore the relationship is presented as one of antagonism between the two.

 

[sayak83]

The 20 different words in Sanskrit that has to be written with the same English word "kali". (with the two meanings used here bolded)

The feminine ones

काली kAlI f. worm or animalcule generated inthe acetous fermentation of milk
कलि kali f. unblown flower
कलि kali f. goddess of time
काली kAlI f. one of the mAtRs or divine mothers
काली kAlI f. censure
काली kAlI f. kind of clay
कलि kali f. bud
काली kAlI f. one of the sixteen vidyAdevIs
काली kAlI f. defamation
काली kAlI f. Fragrant Padritree [ Bignonia Suaveolens - Bot. ]
काली kAlI f. black colour
काली kAlI f. row or succession of black clouds
काली kAlI f. one of the seven tongues or flamesof fire
काली kAlI f. ink or blacking
काली kAlI f. St. Thomas lidpod plant [ Ipomoea Turpethum - Bot. ]
काली kAlI f. night
कलि kali f. present age
काली kAlI f. form of durgA
काली kAlI f. abuse

 

[sayak83]

The masculine ones

कलि kali m. quarrel
कलि kali m. losing die
कलि kali m. name of current aeon [ Cosmology ]
कलि kali m. contention
कलि kali m. symbolical expression for thenumber 1
कलि kali m. ******* myrobalantree [ Terminalia Belerica - Bot. ]
कलि kali m. worst of a class or number ofobjects
कलि kali m. strife
कलि kali m. hero
कलि kali m. discord

 

[Aupmanyav]

Hey, Sayak, don't confuse people (including myself). Enough.

 

[Bhairava]

Satan is a metaphor for ignorance in all religions even if they don't know that. Satan is literally the ego.