Is Modalism just ‘Inverse Trinitarianism’?

[Soapy]

There is absolutely nothing in this verse saying either than the "mine own arm" applies to the messiah--as I already stated it refers to God, not the messiah -- nor is there anything in this verse indicating that the Messiah is God.

Move on.

Yes, it is true what you say.

God desired that if an offspring of Adam could be wholly sinless, and righteous, and give his life as a sacrifice (aka, the yearly sacrifices of a spotless and meek lamb) then God would remove the eternal death that was the penalty for the sin of Adam.

Yes, God was ‘appalled’ that no man of the offspring of Adam could be found. Therefore He Himself invoked the course of salvation by creating a new man, another Adam, sinless, holy, and righteous.

Yes, His own ‘arm’… His own Power … set in motion the act that would lead to the desired end that He Himself proposed: ‘The Seed of a Woman’ - since His word that is uttered from His mouth cannot return to Him until it has fulfilled the purpose of was sent out to achieve… the salvation of His Image: Mankind.

101G is wilfully mixing up the identity of things in the scriptures in order to [attempt to] promote his own brand of idolatry. He has convinced himself that of his belief and has become stuck in it by the demons he’s allowed to possess him. Humour him or berate him until he sees sense but before he damages himself.

He is already showing signs of high levels of angst calling people ‘Ignorant’, etc.

 

[101G]

There is absolutely nothing in this verse saying either than the "mine own arm" applies to the messiah--as I already stated it refers to God, not the messiah -- nor is there anything in this verse indicating that the Messiah is God.

Move on.

no, we will move on after set a spell and take our shoes off. the ARM of
God is the Messiah, God himself. did you READ, that Isaiah 53 reveals God's ARM? listen and Learn. Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"

he is about to REVEAL who his "OWN" ARM is. that term "REVEALED" means To disclose or tell, usually something that has been hidden or kept secret. BINGO "hidden" or "kept secret"..... WELL NO MORE, GOD'S ARM IS NOW REVEALED.

understand you have not been taught this because it has been "hidden" from you. .... (smile).. now, another word for Reveal is disclose divulge tell broadcast publish communicate declare report discover EXPLAIN. must I go on.

here in Isaiah 53, God is EXPLAINING himself in an ECHAD of Flesh and blood to bring SALVATION unto himself, (per Isaiah 63:5). it's right here in black and white.

the very next verse reveals exactly who God's ... OWN ARM .... is. Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." A ROOT OUT OF DRY GROUND, A TENDER PLANT? answer, Isaiah 11:1 "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:" and that BRANCH is JESUS the Messiah. you're reproved.

101G.

 

[Soapy]

do not Isaiah chapter 53 teaches differently? question, "Who is the ARM of God?" .... figurately speaking.

101G.

The thread is about Modalism vs trinity.

There are plenty opportunities to speak your nonsense - in fact, make your own thread about it.

Please stick to the theme of this thread in this thread!!

 

[IndigoChild5559]

no, we will move on after set a spell and take our shoes off. the ARM of
God is the Messiah, God himself. did you READ, that Isaiah 53 reveals God's ARM? listen and Learn. Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"

he is about to REVEAL who his "OWN" ARM is. that term "REVEALED" means To disclose or tell, usually something that has been hidden or kept secret. BINGO "hidden" or "kept secret"..... WELL NO MORE, GOD'S ARM IS NOW REVEALED.

understand you have not been taught this because it has been "hidden" from you. .... (smile).. now, another word for Reveal is disclose divulge tell broadcast publish communicate declare report discover EXPLAIN. must I go on.

here in Isaiah 53, God is EXPLAINING himself in an ECHAD of Flesh and blood to bring SALVATION unto himself, (per Isaiah 63:5). it's right here in black and white.

the very next verse reveals exactly who God's ... OWN ARM .... is. Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." A ROOT OUT OF DRY GROUND, A TENDER PLANT? answer, Isaiah 11:1 "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:" and that BRANCH is JESUS the Messiah. you're reproved.

101G.

I'm sure this is not the first time a Jew is trying to explain to you that Isaiah 53 is about Israel, not the messiah.

Please try to keep any answers succinct. It's very irritating when I give a simple reply, and someone's response is paragraphs long.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Do you read the Bible? That’s an awfully long ‘post’.

Do you imagine that your posts are on par with the bible?

 

[101G]

I'm sure this is not the first time a Jew is trying to explain to you that Isaiah 53 is about Israel, not the messiah.

Please try to keep any answers succinct. It's very irritating when I give a simple reply, and someone's response is paragraphs long.

just copy and paste ... (smile) and take your time and try to understand.... and if any Jew or gentile thanks that Isaiah 53 is about Israel is "IGNORANT" of the Word of God. my God verse 1 tells you that HIS... God's .... OWN ARM is about to be revealed.

and NO ARM is disobedient, and act independent of it's HEAD. even common sense can tell you that.

101G

 

[Soapy]

Do you imagine that your posts are on par with the bible?

Yes I do. Why else would I be posting here?

Ask me anything legitimate and you will get the answer from the scriptures.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Yes I do. Why else would I be posting here?

Ask me anything legitimate and you will get the answer from the scriptures.

Wow, you are a real piece of work.

 

[Soapy]

Wow, you are a real piece of work.

I don’t understand - what’s wrong with what I said?

Ask me any question about what I believe about scriptures and I will answer you with a fully validated response from the scriptures…

Is that a problem to you?

Would you prefer I said I would answer you with a fallacy as of moralists and trinitarianism or any other Luke-warm ‘Christian’ belief?

In fact, I was ‘joining’ with you in that you declared the truth that Jesus Christ is a man - a glorified sinless, holy, and righteous man anointed by God with Holy Spirit to do the works of God and heal the sick, preach the kingdom of God, and die and bring salvation to mankind.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The trinity doctrine is three persons who share one Being. That God is only one divine Being.
The being or substance binds them together as one God. Because of this the three persons in God can never split apart from each other. They are always together as one and they work always as one. And remember the three persons in God is also one in purpose, mind, will and action........................

Also, I find Jesus prayed to his God that his followers also be one at John 17:11; John 17: 21-23.
Yes, 'all' be one in: purpose, will, action, goal, agreement, faith, objective, trust, harmony, co-operation, etc. and of course of mind.
As 1st Corinthians 2:16 says: Who has known the mind of the Lord,.........But we do have the mind of Christ. ( two different minds but one mind set )
Psalm 90:2 teaches that God is from everlasting ( meaning No beginning for God )
Whereas, pre-human heavenly Jesus was "IN" the beginning but Not ' before ' the beginning as his God was.
Even the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him according to Revelation 3:12

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Anyone and everyone who does God's will is the arm of God.

The ^above^ sounds rather like ' hands on '

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I don’t understand - what’s wrong with what I said?

You just admitted you put your own posts on par with the Bible. That's real chutzpah. You went down a lot in my esteem for having said that.

 

[Soapy]

You just admitted you put your own posts on par with the Bible. That's real chutzpah. You went down a lot in my esteem for having said that.

You just admitted you put your own posts on par with the Bible. That's real chutzpah.

That’s really odd? Of course I admit that my own posts are on par with the Bible!!

Are you saying you preferred that I posted things that were NOT ON PAR with the Bible?

Your estimation of me went DOWN because I say I speak truly from the scriptures???

 

[IndigoChild5559]

That’s really odd? Of course I admit that my own posts are on par with the Bible!!

Are you saying you preferred that I posted things that were NOT ON PAR with the Bible?

Your estimation of me went DOWN because I say I speak truly from the scriptures???

Right. I'm saying that your posts, my posts, everyone's posts in this forum are not on par with the Bible, and that your belief that you are on par with the Bible shows incredible arrogance. It's just not possible to hold you in respect when you have such an inflated view of yourself. Don't bother responding to this, I won't be replying to any further comments from you on this subject.

 

[Soapy]

Right. I'm saying that your posts, my posts, everyone's posts in this forum are not on par with the Bible, and that your belief that you are on par with the Bible shows incredible arrogance. It's just not possible to hold you in respect when you have such an inflated view of yourself. Don't bother responding to this, I won't be replying to any further comments from you on this subject.

I’m not surprised you say not to respond to your completely out of sorts post. You recognise you are completely wrong in your assessment and it’s your sheer embarrassment that caused you to try to close down the conversation.

However, it is so wrong what you said that there is no need for me to even think about it. I won’t take it to heart - I know that Satan often drives people to do and say mad crazy things in moments of weakness - but I truly forgive you!!

Now, disprove yourself and ask me ANY QUESTION regarding the scriptures concerning trinitarianism or Modalism - the theme of this thread.

 

[101G]

To all posters

trinitarianism is nothing but Modalism in REVERSE. now to all posters. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

the term "Alone" destroys any trinitarianism and Modalism. for the term "Alone" means, having no one else present: if no one else present, then there is no second, or third person present.

101G

 

[Muffled]

I've actually seen quite a few people in here who are Modalists. They tend to assume they are Trinitarians, but when you inquire more specifics, the details they give clearly indicate that they are Modalists.

As a Jew, both Trinitarianism and Modalism are offensive to me, since in both cases a man is made out to be God. The Tanakh clearly teaches that God is not a man.

I believe I am both a Trinitarian and a Modalist. Did you think three in one was not a Christian concept?

I believe God is not a man as the scriptures say but I also believe God can be in a man and is in me. I believe the reason you wish that not to be is that you want to keep God as far away as possible. I am a little too close for comfort.

 

[101G]

there is neither Trinitarianism nor Modalism, nor Unitarianism, or anything else that is not of sound doctrine.

God is the "ECHAD" of himself in flesh and Bone. the TRUE Man.

101G.

 

[Soapy]

I believe I am both a Trinitarian and a Modalist. Did you think three in one was not a Christian concept?

I believe God is not a man as the scriptures say but I also believe God can be in a man and is in me. I believe the reason you wish that not to be is that you want to keep God as far away as possible. I am a little too close for comfort.

God can be ‘IN’ a person BY GOD’s SPIRIT.

It doesn’t mean that ‘GOD, the person, GOD: YHWH. It means the same as when God ‘put His spirit on Jesus’. Jesus said: The thing you see him do are because the Father is ‘with me’ (or ‘In me’).

The meaning, therefore is simply this:

• If you have the spirit of God in you then you can perform miraculous acts - testament of Jesus Christ after his anointment at the river Jordan, and the Apostles after they’d anointment at Pentecost. For others, the power is far less since such ones are far greater sinners than the apostles and unquantifiable greater than sinless Jesus Christ, therefore the ability to utilise the spirit of God is limited to their faith alone

Of course, some people try to make themselves feel special by claiming that they are endowed with the spirit of God - the worst ones even claim they can perform miracles but really are just illusionists who are trying to benefit themselves by popularity to other people or make money for themselves.

 

[101G]

It doesn’t mean that ‘GOD, the person, GOD: YHWH. It means the same as when God ‘put His spirit on Jesus’.

ERROR, Philippians 2:6 negate that, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

now, listen up, while on earth in a body of blood he, the "Lord" Jesus was in Heaven. supportive scripture, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

101G.