Massimo2002
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I feel like nihilism is true but I don't want it to be.
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Is nihilism true and if so why ?
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Nihilism refers to a few different things depending on context. Could you help us understand which nihilism you are pointing to?
Massimo2002
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Existential Nihilism.
The notion that existence has no objective meaning or purpose?
This may or may not be the case - human knowledge is fundamentally non-objective so whether or not there is an objective meaning or purpose is not possible to determine or know. Absence of human ability to know does not equate to absence in reality, but in practical terms it might as well. In any case, humans are the storytelling animal and is routine for all humans to derive subjective meaning or purpose based on their experiences.
Heyo
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Nihilism can neither be proven true or false.
Attributing value, purpose or meaning is always axiomatic. There are no objective criteria to determine value.
Massimo2002
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True and not true makes no sense.
ajay0
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I would say Nihilism is a false philosophy that came in the background of ignorance of the phenomenon of enlightenment, which has been emphasized in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sufism.
Nihilism claims that all virtues and values are abstract contrivances without any relevance of their own. This philosophy has been deludedly used by the nazis and serial criminals to justify their excesses.
On the other hand eastern philosophy states that virtues and values are equivalent to meditation itself, enabling the raising of consciousness leading to enlightenment.
Rajini Menon is a modern enlightened sage who attained enlightenment by adhering to virtuous conduct and her conscience without any Gurus or spiritual exercises. I had created a thread over here in this regard..
Female enlightened master Rajini Menon on attaining enlightenment by adhering to virtuous conduct...
An insightful article on female enlightened master Rajini Menon attaining enlightenment just through adhering to virtuous conduct. lifepositive If you do right, irrespective of what the other does, it will slow down the mind. - Rajini Menon Interestingly, a similar teaching of Swami...
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Swami Satchidananda had equated virtuous conduct with meditation itself and Buddha had stated that virtue can progressively lead to the highest.
Swami Satchidananda on virtuous conduct being synonymous with meditation...
Swami Satchidananda, disciple of Ramana Maharshi and Swami Sivananda, and the founder of Integral Yoga, stated thus.... “When even one virtue becomes our nature, the mind becomes clean and tranquil. Then there is no need to practice meditation; we will automatically be meditating always.” -...
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Heyo
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Yep, unknown or unknowable do, but that is unsatisfactory to many.
Massimo2002
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So Nihilism does not originate from Buddhism or Hinduism ?
ajay0
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Nope. If nihilism originated from them , they would not be emphasizing virtuous conduct and conscience adherence, and probably would be emphasizing materialism and hedonism at all costs instead.
I had created a similar thread on the subject in the philosophy forum as well...
Ethical conduct indispensable for attaining enlightenment or Buddhahood
Ethical conduct in the form of right speech, right livelihood and right effort are considered to be vital practices leading to enlightenment in Buddhism or Buddhahood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Eightfold_Path...
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GoodAttention
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It can certainly feel real in moments, but it’s a feeling and not forever.
PearlSeeker
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You deny human rights? Is for example "raping is bad" only a subjective position?
PearlSeeker
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The very notion of dharma is the opposite of nihilism.
Heyo
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Yes. It is very widely agreed upon, but it's still only a construct. And a very modern one at that. We only have recently agreed that it's bad between spouses, and there are still people who don't agree.
Heyo
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Addendum: and then there are those people who think it isn't really that bad. At least not bad enough to not vote for rapists. You may get an Attorney General who is a rapist (though he evaded conviction until now).
PearlSeeker
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Human rights stem from the old notion of cosmic order - Rta, Logos, Dao... It doesn't matter if people have only recently agreed on something. It's bad now and it was bad before.