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Is one worse than the other

We Never Know

No Slack
Say you are strictly religious and hold strong to your beliefs, should you...

-be able to deny doing things for others that go against your religious beliefs?
-be forced to do things for others that go against your religious beliefs?

It seems someone loses and will be offended either way.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
So your religious book says being gay is wrong, but says nothing about doing things for other gay people.
As long as you're not gay, I guess you're in the clear.
What's the problem again?
Not religious. I don't have a problem.... Which is why I am asking.

But good point..."religious book says being gay is wrong, but says nothing about doing things for other gay people"
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Say you are strictly religious and hold strong to your beliefs, should you...

-be able to deny doing things for others that go against your religious beliefs?
-be forced to do things for others that go against your religious beliefs?

It seems someone loses and will be offended either way.
The absolute worst thing would be to believe these things exist in a vacuum or that you can give a simple absolute answer.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Say you are strictly religious and hold strong to your beliefs, should you...

-be able to deny doing things for others that go against your religious beliefs?
-be forced to do things for others that go against your religious beliefs?

It seems someone loses and will be offended either way.
I say go with what you and other like minded people believe in and leave the rest alone.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Say you are strictly religious and hold strong to your beliefs, should you...

-be able to deny doing things for others that go against your religious beliefs?
-be forced to do things for others that go against your religious beliefs?

It seems someone loses and will be offended either way.

There is nothing in my "religious beliefs" that go against doing things for others.

Unless you wanted me to cause you bodily injury, then I guess we might have a problem.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Say you are strictly religious and hold strong to your beliefs, should you...

-be able to deny doing things for others that go against your religious beliefs?
-be forced to do things for others that go against your religious beliefs?

It seems someone loses and will be offended either way.
As long as it's the bigots who lose, I'm OK with it.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Say you are strictly religious and hold strong to your beliefs, should you...

-be able to deny doing things for others that go against your religious beliefs?
-be forced to do things for others that go against your religious beliefs?

It seems someone loses and will be offended either way.

Depending on the specifics of the "things," if other's rights are impacted beyond your freedom to practice your religion personally, it would be, in America at least, worse to deny doing something for other that go against your religious beliefs.

For instance, if your religious belief says that you cannot make something for a gay couple as an artist, you don't need to unless you are offering your services publically. If you do, it is discrimination and you are denying an individual a right to participate in the market.

Say your religious belief forbids you from making an artistic rendering that depicts something that causes harm to another group, like a KKK or Nazi ideology, then it may be discrimination, and you may have to suffer the consequences of the law, but it may be a worthy decision.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Say you are strictly religious and hold strong to your beliefs, should you...

-be able to deny doing things for others that go against your religious beliefs?
-be forced to do things for others that go against your religious beliefs?

It seems someone loses and will be offended either way.
Depends
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Say you are strictly religious and hold strong to your beliefs, should you...

-be able to deny doing things for others that go against your religious beliefs?
-be forced to do things for others that go against your religious beliefs?

It seems someone loses and will be offended either way.
Say a religious person ask someone who was gay, to help that religious person out. They need the gay person to work har at becoming straight. This will allow them to be friends and not create moral conflict. Should the gay person feel forced to accommodate or should he have a choice?

The mistake; strategy, that Liberals make is they think they are the children who have to be accommodated, while the Religious are like the parent/adults who have to accommodate, but never the other way around. The above scenario makes the gay man the adult who has to sacrifice so the child of God can be happy. Nobody is used to that.

I prefer a free market, where you can buy and sell based on your own personal choices; all adults, with no group able to become a forced co-dependent; child, like a virus invading a self sufficient spiritual cell. The person of faith and moral code, finds their sweet spot of life, living this way. They should not have to sacrifice this sweet spot for the alternate lifestyle of others, unless they can fit it in, without harming themselves. The cell does not have to let the virus in, so the virus can make the cell sick. Their immune system will react to prevent this. Live and let live; all healthy cells, on all sides, but no virus.

Healthy cells of different types can swap resources and benefit each other; hormones. But a virus tends drive on a one way street, taking more than giving, with its own health, harming the peace of mind of the invaded cell.
 
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Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Say you are strictly religious and hold strong to your beliefs, should you...

-be able to deny doing things for others that go against your religious beliefs?
-be forced to do things for others that go against your religious beliefs?

It seems someone loses and will be offended either way.

I don't think one should judge others by their own religious ideals.
I also this is something the government should enforce.

An obvious exception though would be if the service or product itself is not against your religious ideology.
Not sure why you'd want to force someone to act against their religious morality if the same product or service was available to you elsewhere.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Say you are strictly religious and hold strong to your beliefs, should you...

-be able to deny doing things for others that go against your religious beliefs?
-be forced to do things for others that go against your religious beliefs?

It seems someone loses and will be offended either way.
You are being way too vague, so as to create a problem that does not actually exist.

In nearly all instances that I suspect you are referring to, the solution is as simple as doing what one agreed to do, or not agreeing to do it in the first place. A little for-thought and honesty would eliminate the whole issue.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
It's My Birthday!
Say you are strictly religious and hold strong to your beliefs, should you...

-be able to deny doing things for others that go against your religious beliefs?
-be forced to do things for others that go against your religious beliefs?

It seems someone loses and will be offended either way.
If you run a business open to the public, the law of the land will dictate how you are allowed to run that business, which might include being forced to do some things, and not allowed to do other things regardless of your religious beliefs. If you have a problem with that, don't open a business.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Like racist bigots. When someone opens a restaurant to the public and puts up a sign that says "we only serve white people (because religious freedom)", then I'm all for forcing that bigot to go out of business or change his mind.
No problem there.

But bigots is bigots whether anti capitalist or
anti Hispanic.

Notable that our far left socialist types are so
like fundie creationists.

Spray of half truths, misrepresentations, falsehoods and opinion - as- fact. Combined with all manner of vilifying
those not in their cult.

Bigots, all.
 
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