Is progressive revelation believable?

[Dawnofhope]

I just bring it up, because some Baha'is point out that a new messenger comes with a new message, because the old messenger's religion has reached the end of its usefulness. Some use the seasons of the year to say those old religions had their spring and summer and are now in their autumn and winter. But most all the major religions get fresh life and revive themselves. They are far from being down for the count. Unfortunately, some Baha'is make it sound like there is nothing useful left in any of the older religions... that it's time to jump on the Baha'i train and ride it into a new age.

I posted some words of the Guardian earlier in this thread to another. It should make clear the approach you observe is not supported by the Baha’i writings

Shoghi Effendi, the leader of the Baha’i Faith from 1921-1957 and authorised interpreter of the Baha’i Writings makes some very strong statements about the Baha’i writings approach to religion, specifically Islam and Christianity.

The Faith standing identified with the name of Bahá’u’lláh disclaims any intention to belittle any of the Prophets gone before Him, to whittle down any of their teachings, to obscure, however slightly, the radiance of their Revelations, to oust them from the hearts of their followers, to abrogate the fundamentals of their doctrines, to discard any of their revealed Books, or to suppress the legitimate aspirations of their adherents. Repudiating the claim of any religion to be the final revelation of God to man, disclaiming finality for His own Revelation, Bahá’u’lláh inculcates the basic principle of the relativity of religious truth, the continuity of Divine Revelation, the progressiveness of religious experience. His aim is to widen the basis of all revealed religions and to unravel the mysteries of their scriptures. He insists on the unqualified recognition of the unity of their purpose, restates the eternal verities they enshrine, coordinates their functions, distinguishes the essential and the authentic from the nonessential and spurious in their teachings, separates the God-given truths from the priest-prompted superstitions, and on this as a basis proclaims the possibility, and even prophecies the inevitability, of their unification, and the consummation of their highest hopes.

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Promised Day Is Come, Pages 108-113

Later in the passage Shoghi Effendi further elaborates while quoting Bahá’u’lláh:

Nor should it be thought for a moment that the followers of Bahá’u’lláh either seek to degrade or even belittle the rank of the world’s religious leaders, whether Christian, Muslim, or of any other denomination, should their conduct conform to their professions, and be worthy of the position they occupy. “Those divines,” Bahá’u’lláh has affirmed, “…who are truly adorned with the ornament of knowledge and of a goodly character are, verily, as a head to the body of the world, and as eyes to the nations. The guidance of men hath, at all times, been and is dependent upon these blessed souls.” And again: “The divine whose conduct is upright, and the sage who is just, are as the spirit unto the body of the world. Well is it with that divine whose head is attired with the crown of justice, and whose temple is adorned with the ornament of equity.” And yet again: “The divine who hath seized and quaffed the most holy Wine, in the name of the sovereign Ordainer, is as an eye unto the world. Well is it with them who obey him, and call him to remembrance.” “Great is the blessedness of that divine,” He, in another connection, has written, “that hath not allowed knowledge to become a veil between him and the One Who is the Object of all knowledge, and who, when the Self-Subsisting appeared, hath turned with a beaming face towards Him. He, in truth, is numbered with the learned. The inmates of Paradise seek the blessing of his breath, and his lamp sheddeth its radiance over all who are in heaven and on earth. He, verily, is numbered with the inheritors of the Prophets. He that beholdeth him hath, verily, beheld the True One, and he that turneth towards him hath, verily, turned towards God, the Almighty, the All-Wise.” “Respect ye the divines amongst you,” is His exhortation, “They whose acts conform to the knowledge they possess, who observe the statutes of God, and decree the things God hath decreed in the Book. Know ye that they are the lamps of guidance betwixt earth and heaven. They that have no consideration for the position and merit of the divines amongst them have, verily, altered the bounty of God vouchsafed unto them.”

Is progressive revelation believable?

 

[CG Didymus]

Both Jesus and Bahá’u’lláh are necessary to me.

How is Jesus or Krishna or Moses or any of the others really all that important to a Baha'i? They have tons of writings that supposedly are needed for right now. The old messengers and their old religions are only important for a few quotes and to claim there has been a progression of revelation going on.

It would be useful for the author (@od19g6 ) to respond to your criticism.

Where is od19g6? Od19g6 and the rest of the Baha'is have made the claim that there is a progression from one religion to the next. But you say it is not "linear"? You're the first Baha'i that I have heard say that. Others have made it sound like a Hindu should have known and recognized the truth of the next messenger, but who was that Moses? How would the message from Moses have fit into any other culture but to the Hebrews? It was almost like the religion was tailor made just for them.

And then, the next messenger has already come (and gone), Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, just like Bahaullah. He established another religion, the Ahmadiyya religion.

How many people have claimed to be the return of one of the Hindu avatars? But wait, how many Hindu avatars are there? And why do Baha'is only mention Krishna? And kind of funny how some people are so quick to write him off as a false messenger because he didn't come at the right time and as expected. And it's really funny that a Baha'i would say that, because that is exactly what they say other people are doing to their prophet.

Muslims and Ahamdiyyas will say just the same for Bahaullah. Not just them, but Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians also will say just that. I have already shown in one post that this claim of messengers coming after 1,000 years is totally false. Was Jesus born a 1,000 years before Mohammad? Was Buddha born a 1,000 years before Jesus? You claim to consider the three as manifestations of Allah. And a prophet who claims false things is a lying imposter.

But a 1000 years in between or a few hundred years less doesn't do much good if we have one messenger come to the Middle East with the needed new information... and that information stays in the Middle East for hundreds of years. Then the next messenger comes to India or some other far away place? And then, what about the people in what is now Europe, the Far East and North and South America?

Now I have heard Baha'is say that no people have been left without guidance. But what does that mean? Did they have an official messenger from God? If they did then that would blow the 1000 year thing out the window. Or, there are millions of seers, sages and Holy men and women that have visions, get revelation or connect somehow to a higher spiritual power and then share it with the people around them. However, by looks of some of the practices and beliefs of some of the ancient religions, some of that information was misinformation.

 

[Dawnofhope]

How is Jesus or Krishna or Moses or any of the others really all that important to a Baha'i? They have tons of writings that supposedly are needed for right now. The old messengers and their old religions are only important for a few quotes and to claim there has been a progression of revelation going on.

When Jesus was asked the most important commandment He refers to Deuteronomy 6:4-6 and tell us to love God and to love our neighbour (Matthew 22:35-40). This is a universal teaching and just as relevant now as it was when Jesus and Moses taught it.

Where is od19g6? Od19g6 and the rest of the Baha'is have made the claim that there is a progression from one religion to the next. But you say it is not "linear"? You're the first Baha'i that I have heard say that. Others have made it sound like a Hindu should have known and recognized the truth of the next messenger, but who was that Moses? How would the message from Moses have fit into any other culture but to the Hebrews? It was almost like the religion was tailor made just for them.

I am not aware of one verse from the Baha’i writings that supports a dogmatic insistence on a linear approach. Its useful when going from Judaism to Christianity, from Hinduism to Buddhism and from Islam to the Baha’i Faith. Its not useful going from Hinduism to Judaism and from Judaism to Buddhism for obvious reasons.

 

[od19g6]

That's not proof, in and of itself, as most freethinking people would define it.

One can know some 'truths' with high degrees of certitude: for instance, I know the earth isn't flat and the heliocentric model of the solar system is correct whereas the geocentric is wrong; I know that no matter where I go in the universe, the law of gravity will still apply because it is universal. Same with the laws underlying quantum mechanics - indeterminacy, probability. These truths and others like them have been tested and backed up by bucket-loads of validating empirical evidence.

Religious / metaphysical ideas, however, don't operate in that way. They don't make testable predictions - indeed whether or not Baha'u'llah received a Revelation from the Maid of Heaven or Moses the voice of God in the Burning Bush is 'unfalsifiable' - it lies outside the domain of scientific enquiry, the kinds of things we can hypothesize and then make testable predictions about that are proved or disproved based upon experiment.

Religious claims aren't like that.

Every speculative philosophical and religious idea deriving from divine revelation falls into the category of, "it may be true, it may be out there - but we can't prove it", other than through personal experience say with prayer or mysticism, or the appeal of the merits of a certain grand meta-narrative / vision / value-system / argument to a given individual. But such means only provide proof for the individual - they cannot be used to compel others to believe in things that are inherently untestable.

God, for instance, is put forward by theists and deists as the reason for nature, the explanation of why things are the way they are (why we have something rather than nothing, to reference Leibniz); as such God is outside what the realm of science can viably investigate and test - because science has physical and principal limits contingent upon what we are physically able to observe, whether directly or indirectly (in terms of testable consequences).

This fact reminds us to be wary of reifying or absolutizing our own 'untestable / speculative' beliefs and ideals at the expense of those of others.

That humbling recognition provides a basis for a unity of tolerance and mutual respect - not one of conformity of all the "isms" to a new super-"ism" that is allegedly the zeitgeist of the age.

I think we all need to temper our beliefs with a moderate degree of agnosticism. I, for one, am a Catholic theist but I can't prove the truth of the purported revelation underlying my religion (the deposit of faith, the Magisterium of the Catholic Church) because it lies beyond the scope of scientific inquiry. We must live with that kind of "unknowing" and uncertainty - indeed we must embrace it and recognise that it means our views are not superior to anybody else's when it comes to ultimate truth (however rightly and ardently we believe our own religion to be "the truth"), such that we must respect and tolerate our differences.

The Messenger's life and teachings are the actual proof about who they say they are, it's all in the details of their lives and teachings you just have to investigate it for yourself.

Sometimes people talk about testing things, but the thing is you can't "physically test" spiritual qualities, teachings etc., they're not actual things. Spiritual qualities, teachings etc. can only be "manifested" in the physical world and thats the only test we will get.

A lot of things in sacred scripture is not to be taken completely literally anyway.

 

[od19g6]

Unfortunately, once you look at the specifics, it all falls apart rather quickly.

The Bahai idea of progressive revelation reminds me a bit of spyral dynamics. But at some point you people will have to make peace with the need to take stances.

How does it remind you of spyral dynamics?

The the teachings of progressive revelation makes perfect sense. Do you appreciate chapters of a book, do you like sequels of a movie series?

 

[Aupmanyav]

But you say it is not "linear"?

Yeah, it is not linear. Sometimes the Bahai Allah goes forward, some times backwards. With Bahaullah, he has gone backward. Very unscientific, against women and LGBTQ and so many other things, completely retrograde. All the work of earlier prophets has been nullified. It is really the fault of the Bahai Allah. He is acting like a drunk. Does not know what he is doing. Sends absurd messages like the Bahai posters do in this forum. Or perhaps Allah message was garbled by Bahaullah in his ego.

Well, I would not care the least about it. I am an atheist and do not believe in any such clap-trap.

About avataras in Hinduism, a section of our people (Vaishnavas) believe that there are ten major avataras. As is the practice in Hinduism, other sections do not deny what one section says. So the line starts with the avatara in fish form (Matsya), then tortoise (Kachapa), then boar (Varaha), then man-lion (Nrisimha), then dwarf (Vamana), then the angry one (parashurama), then the calm one (Rama), then the mischievous one (Krishna), then the wise one (Buddha).

The tenth and the last for this age (Kalki) will appear 425,000 years from now. We have long eons. The sages are considered to be minor avataras. We also have the problem of people making claims without any evidence like in Abrahamic religions in recent times. But it is very difficult to be accepted as an avatara in Hinduism, even as a minor one. Nobody makes Gandhi or Vivekananda into an avatara.

 

[od19g6]

Well, truth is everywhere yes. But when we have a teacher or master we cultivate their teaching so we become the teaching our self. so where i maybe disagree with Baha`i teaching is to take form anything that fit us and try to fit it in to a belief. because if we take something from Buddha Sakyamuni, a little bit from Muhammad, a little from Jesus. and we try to mix this together. we will experience that even they all were speaking truth and was teaching a true path. it was on different levels of wisdom. so as a follower it will be difficult to grasp the very highest truth if two masters say something that sounds to not fit together. But when we look at it separately we can see that yes both speak the truth. but one spoke from a higher level of wisdom, and then the other master will not be able to see that same truth.

So to gain a higher level of wisdom ourselves self we would be better off by following only one master at the time.
You do not need to agree with what I say, I understand you see Baha'u'llah as the main teacher and then you should continue to do so, i don't try to convince you of other

Baha'u'llah is the main divine teacher of this time and age simply because of progressive revelation. All of the divine teachers that you mentioned we accept.

I know that anyone can say that God sent them or that thay are a Messiah but you still have to have some discernment about who's who.

The criteria of a true Messenger of God is:

What do they actually teach? Do they practice what they teach? What prophecies do they fulfill from the scriptures of old?

Another way you know a true Manifestation is that thay come with a new revelation and a new calendar, if they're still working from an old revelation then they're not a true Manifestation. Another thing to ask is whether ther teachings is mainly based on hate, than they're not a true Messenger.

Some people think that it's always Messengers, that that come very often, but the fact is the Messengers are rare individuals that appears around about every 1000 years and that they're always from the east.

I would like to use the analogy of a mature and knowledgeable child and an actual educated adult teacher. While the mature and knowledgeable child may have a big impact on the other children and they feel like they want to follow him that child will still be limited in what he can do because he's still a child and he's not actually been educated. But the actual adult teacher actually have the education to teach the children. So the educated adult teacher will have a far more more impact than the mature and knowledgeable child.

 

[Aupmanyav]

As in confirmation means anything to people other than Hindus.

Yeah, what is yours is yours. What is ours is ours. I reply to Bahais only when they something about Hinduism or Krishna. Otherwise I would not bother about it.

 

[od19g6]

Progressive revelation doesn't make much sense when you consider who most people claim God "is" and what's He/She/It is all about.

We will never completely know God, we can only know God through His names and attributes and The absolute best way of knowing is through the Manifestations that He sends.

 

[Aupmanyav]

So what?!?!?!? Jews, Zoroastrians, Christians, Muslims and others do not agree to your claim. They have messages which are sufficient for all ages. That is why they consider those that Hindus believe in are imposter, and their beliefs are false.

We do not make a claim to anyone as Bahais do. Such claims are the problems. That is why Jews, Zoroastrians, Christians, Muslims (Sunni and Shia both), Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs, Ahmadiyyas and some Bahais too, live peacefully in India. This is because our Gods and Goddesses gave us a message for all times, the message of peace, brotherhood and co-existence, and not the message of ego.

 

[LuisDantas]

How does it remind you of spyral dynamics?

Spyral dynamics is all about establishing successive models for ways of dealing with the world, employing them to their fullest, and eventually realizing that there is a need for a more ambitious, more comprehensive and ultimately more "expensive" (harder to maintain) model.

I do not subscribe to the Bahai idea of progressive revelation, but it sure seems to follow the same general idea.

The the teachings of progressive revelation makes perfect sense. Do you appreciate chapters of a book, do you like sequels of a movie series?

Oh, I do. It is Abrahamic monotheism that I find unsuitable to me - or maybe you could instead say that I do not find that an acceptable restriction to impose on models for existence.

On a less personal level, I think that you are just saddling yourselves with too much, albeit with generally good intentions. Not all worthy doctrines are Abrahamic, not all Abrahamics are salvageable.

 

[Dawnofhope]

My third comment is not a direct criticism, but may be taken as criticism by defenders of faith communities. I have recently become acquainted with the term: "dual covenant theology", which, has direct applicability, IMO, to traditional Jews and me. According to dual-covenant theology, as I understand it, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is my God, through and because of my belief in Jesus, AND HaShem's covenant with the faithful descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob remains in effect forever; however, the covenant between HaShem and me is a covenanted mediated through Jesus with Gentiles, of whom I am one. My covenant with the Holy One does NOT replace, supersede, or diminish His covenant with the faithful descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, whom He brought out of Egypt and to whom He gave the Torah at Sinai.

• Having said that, I am well aware of the fact that I hold a minority opinion which most definitely is not held by the majority of Christians and quite probably not too many traditional Jews.
• Moreover, I suspect that it will eventually, sooner or later, become apparent that I believe that Islam and, yes, Baha'i to be human "replacement-oriented" faith communities.

What you explain in regards dual Covenant theology is really a Christian matter as they come to terms with centuries of anti-semitism culminating in the Jewish holocaust resulting in the extermination of six million Jews.

Dual-covenant theology - Wikipedia

Christianity’s long history of anti-semitism began from early times during Christian history and is well documented.

Antisemitism in Christianity - Wikipedia

The extent to which Christianity contributed to the Nazi holocaust has been well debated.

A document Dabru Emet was issued by over 220 rabbis and intellectuals from all branches of Judaismin 2000 as a statement about Jewish-Christian relations. This document states,

"Nazism was not a Christian phenomenon. Without the long history of Christian anti-Judaism and Christian violence against Jews, Nazi ideology could not have taken hold nor could it have been carried out. Too many Christians participated in, or were sympathetic to, Nazi atrocities against Jews. Other Christians did not protest sufficiently against these atrocities. But Nazism itself was not an inevitable outcome of Christianity."

Antisemitism in Christianity - Wikipedia

This statement resonates for me personally.

The key message of Judaism was to love God with all our being as expressed in Deuteronomy 6:4-6.

Jesus build on the message to teach we should love our neighbours as ourselves.

Matthew 22:35-40

We should even love our enemies.

Muhammad’s Message is that it is not enough to follow Him but all the Messengers that have gone before with a special emphasis on Moses and Jesus.

We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them . . .
Quran 2:136

A Comprehensive Listing of References to Jesus ('Isa) in the Qur'an - NAMB

Bahá’u’lláh’s Message

Consort with all the peoples, kindreds and religions of the world with the utmost truthfulness, uprightness, faithfulness, kindliness, good-will and friendliness

Bahá'í Reference Library - Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, Pages 257-261

Maybe the Baha’i Faith is a human inspiration to replace the need for Christianity and Judaism. It is my sincere faith that it is Divinely inspired. What I do know for sure is the Baha’is have never been to war with anyone, nor have we harmed the Jews. I’d rather be part of a ‘false’ religion that genuinely loves others than be part of a ‘true’ religion that pretends to love but inwardly hates (Matthew 23:26).

 

[od19g6]

So, you are proposing that your god is not based in absolute truth, but rather is based in perceived and changing truth.

God alone is absolute truth, it's just that the teachings of God change from age to age according to the capacity of the people.

So you have a prophet you like. So do many people today, some have a prophet that is alive as I write.

We their is a The criteria for a true Messenger of God:

What do they actually teach? Do they practice what they teach? What prophecies do they fulfill from the scriptures of old?

Another way you know a true Manifestation is that thay come with a new independent revelation and a new calendar, they speak of another that is going to come after them or a return, and if the one who is claiming to be a Prophet still working from an old revelation then they're not a true Manifestation. Another thing to ask is whether ther teachings is mainly based on hate, if they are than they're not a true Messenger.

Some people think that it's always Messengers, that come very often, but the fact is the Messengers are rare individuals that appears around about every 1000 years and that they're always from the east.

I would like to use the analogy of a mature and knowledgeable child and an actual educated adult teacher. While the mature and knowledgeable child may have a big impact on the other children and they feel like they want to follow him that child will still be limited in what he can do because he's still a child and he's not actually been educated. But the actual adult teacher actually have the education to teach the children. So the educated adult teacher will have a far more more impact than the mature and knowledgeable child.

 

[od19g6]

What were the social teachings of Jesus that were changed by Muhammad?

Well the things that I can think of is: the limited number of wives is officially 4, praying 5 times a day, pilgrimage to mecca, fasting during ramadan.

In just the major religions, what are the eternal spiritual teachings that each religions teaches? And, in each one, what were the social teachings that the next religion in the progression changed?

The eternal teaching are things like: do unto others as you would be done to yourself.

As far as every social teachings that every religion has, well I'm not an historian so you're going to have to compare them your self.

Prophecies... What prophecies did Jesus fulfill from the religions that proceeded him? Which should be Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism and Judaism.

Well Jesus Christ is known as the Messiah of judaism. It's Baha'u'llah that is known as the Promised One of all religions.

Let's take Moses and Jesus. What do we know about their lives? Did Moses kill a man? Was he a "perfect" reflection of the attributes of God? Did Jesus walk on water and raise Lazarus from the dead? Did he cast out demons out of people? Is all of this true?

Some people talk as though when Moses killed a man that he murdered him, Moses didn't murder anyone. Moses was defending a helpless person from being tortured by a soldier.

The miracles of Jesus Christ has spiritual lessons to them. For instance when Jesus Christ healed the blind man the important spiritual lesson was, anyone who is spiritually blind Jesus Christ helped them to spiritually see.

And remember we can't take divine scriptures completely literally.

 

[Trailblazer]

Jews, Zoroastrians, Christians, Muslims, Ahmadiyyas, Hindus, Buddhists to not agree to your claim. They have messages which are sufficient for all ages. That is why they consider Bahaullah as a false prophet and an imposter.

I do not care if they agree. Imo, the spiritual truths in the older religions is eternal and just as true as what Baha’u’llah revealed, but spiritual truth is the only thing that is eternal; everything else changes over time.

Spiritual truth is the only thing that is useful in those religions. There is nothing in those religions that will ever help humanity better the conditions in this material realm of existence, our life on earth. Not one of those religions has any solutions to the world’s problems or any kind of plan to change the world. They just want to keep doing the same things over and over and over again because it feels safe and comfortable, and they like doing it.

The only purpose the older religions serve is to divide humanity into different belief systems and this division is largely responsible for all the hatred and killing and wars we have seen throughout history. This will never end as long as people cling to these older religions. But nobody cares except the Baha’is and then we get guff for caring.

Imo, those religions are not sufficient for anything that is needed in this new age. It is not even logical that they would be sufficient since they were revealed thousands and thousands of years ago, when people and the world were completely different. Time does not stand still. Everything in the world changes over time, so why should religion remain the same forever? Sadly and unfortunately, most religious people have no logical abilities, they just cling to their old religions because they are emotionally attached to them.

I do not care if the followers of every religion in the world consider Baha’u’llah false Prophet. Baha’u’llah was either a true Prophet or a false Prophet. Logically speaking, what those people believe has no bearing on who Baha’u’llah was, since beliefs do not determine reality. Reality simply exists and we either discover it or fail to do so.

People all have free will so they can believe whatever they want to believe. I do not care what people believe so I am not posting content intended to convert or recruit anyone to my religion and I am not attempting to convert anyone away from their religion. All I do is state what I believe.

It is extremely ironic that I get accused of proselytizing when I am not one of the Baha’is on this forum who posts threads related to the Baha’i Faith. I am just an innocent bystander responding to posts I receive from others.

 

[od19g6]

I do believe that God continues to call Prophets today and that revelation continues, but I do not believe that Islam or the Ba'hai faiths have divine origins.

Why don't you believe in islam or the baha'i faith?

 

[od19g6]

Bahaullah only talked and wrote, and condemned others for being covenant breakers if they differed with him. Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela did more than that, did not condemn even their adversaries. Dont you think they were better manifestations of Allah? What the . are you talking about his life and teachings?

Surely you know that sometimes you have to condemn certain things by honestly calling them out do you?

The proof of Baha'u'llah is in His life and teachings, the details are in those, you just have to read a little.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The only purpose the older religions serve is to divide humanity into different belief systems and this division is largely responsible for all the hatred and killing and wars we have seen throughout history. This will never end as long as people cling to these older religions. But nobody cares except the Baha’is and then we get guff for caring.

You are talking of the One God \ Allah Abrahamic religions. They are the culprits and you are one of them.The four Indian religions Hinduism (incorporating the Vedic religion), Jainism, Buddhism an Sikhism have always lived together in love and peace, helping each other. We are constituted that way. Yeah, strife will never end for Abrahamic religions, Bahaullah being one of the most insignificant of them. You will keep engendering new religions and keep fighting with each other. You are constituted that way.

 

[od19g6]

What mighty ego! A mouse trying to frighten a pack of lions. What an over-reach! And you say Bahais respect all other religions! Why do you lie? Very funny. Bahais seem to be very funny people, all tangled up in knots.

But whouldn't you say that any type of leader would have a lot of influences over their followers?

Baha'u'llah was talking to the religions leaders that was leading the people astray.

 

[Trailblazer]

You are talking of the One God \ Allah Abrahamic religions. They are the culprits and you are one of them.The four Indian religions Hinduism (incorporating the Vedic religion), Jainism, Buddhism an Sikhism have always lived together in love and peace, helping each other. We are constituted that way. Yeah, strife will never end for Abrahamic religions, Bahaullah being one of the most insignificant of them. You will keep engendering new religions and keep fighting with each other. You are constituted that way.

That's nice that the four Indian religions, Hinduism (incorporating the Vedic religion), Jainism, Buddhism an Sikhism have always lived together in love and peace, helping each other, but how is that going to help the world, given the fact that 55% of the world population is Christians and Muslims? They are not going to join an Indian religion. In fact, the Christians and Muslims are not going to change their religions at all, and then there is the small number of Jews who are caught in the crossfire. So what is going to become of humanity if something does not change?