Is prostitution "immoral"?

[McBell]

however, if sex work were to be legalised , many of the streets could be 'cleaned up' and the gangs would have to move on.

Please be so kind as to tell us even place where this has been true?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Source please.

http://www.psych.rochester.edu/rese...tal_SUDTreatmentProstitution-OneYearAfter.pdf

Prostitution is associated with severe patterns of substance use (El-Bassel et al.,
1997; Gilchrist et al., 2005; Gleghorn et al., 1998), with a
high percentage of women involved in prostitution reporting
previous substance-use disorder (SUD) treatment (Nuttbrock
et al., 2004). Similarly, several studies over the past decade
suggest that women who have engaged in prostitution also
exhibit a wide range of mental health problems—including
depression, anxiety, and suicide attempts (Burnette et al.,
2008a; Farley and Barkan, 1998; Gilchrist et al., 200

 

[nnmartin]

Please be so kind as to tell us even place where this has been true?

most places in the West seem to ban prostitution hence the gangs may flourish.

but in countries where there is 'de facto' legalisation (eg:Thailand) this is not so much the case.

nearly all the bars, brothels etc.. there are run by women and not too many problems.

 

[nnmartin]

http://www.psych.rochester.edu/rese...tal_SUDTreatmentProstitution-OneYearAfter.pdf

of course this doesn't overturn the point that I made earlier in which the drug addiction comes first, and then the prostitution.

you may be mixing up the cause and effect here I think

 

[CynthiaCypher]

of course this doesn't overturn the point that I made earlier in which the drug addiction comes first, and then the prostitution.

you may be mixing up the cause and effect here I think

The only thing I said is that most of them are substance abusers not that prostitution leads to abuse.

 

[Father Heathen]

It is natural for a man to have sex with many different women

And how would this be possible without women who have sex with many different men?

You're being hypocritical.

 

[Draka]

And how would this be possible without women who have sex with many different men?

You're being hypocritical.

I've tried to bring that up before. If it is so "natural" for men to sleep with many women then it must also be just as equally "natural" for women to be sleeping with those men. When you look at another argument of his where he maintains that men "need" sex more than women do (don't know where he gets that but so be it) then why shouldn't women get compensation?

 

[nnmartin]

that is a very easy question to answer.

The fact is that some women have a lot of sex, far more then their fair share , but other women have very little.

Prostitutes and other women living the immoral lifestyle of self-gratification, lust and wickedness would make up a large percentage of the first group.

 

[nnmartin]

And how would this be possible without women who have sex with many different men?

You're being hypocritical.

No, this is not hypocrisy as I have just explained to Draka.

Now, my position here may seem unclear as I have just been saying that prostitution should be legalised even though I think it is immoral on the woman's part.

This is because we have a culture in the after shock of sexual liberation where now a sexual free for all and worship of the very act itself has replaced the Holy word of God.

So in the secular world of Babylon in which we are all forced to live , we need to allow prostitution to free us from this view of supposed sexual freedom that in effect only causes more sexual repression, wickedness and worship of the act.

by making sex available to the Heathen masses we can avoid the issues of ego, personal puffing out of ones cheeks and girls prancing around as Madonnas , Britney Spears and other such harlot like types.

this leads to idolatry!

idolatry causes further wickedness and social repression.

 

[Draka]

that is a very easy question to answer.

The fact is that some women have a lot of sex, far more then their fair share , but other women have very little.

Prostitutes and other women living the immoral lifestyle of self-gratification, lust and wickedness would make up a large percentage of the first group.

So in order for men to just be men women live immoral and wicked lives? You are forcing a woman into being "dirty" just for doing something with a man that he is supposedly fine in doing. There is a huge problem there. It is tremendously misogynistic and the perfect example of a double standard.

 

[Father Heathen]

that is a very easy question to answer.

The fact is that some women have a lot of sex, far more then their fair share , but other women have very little.

What do you mean by "fair share"?

Prostitutes and other women living the immoral lifestyle of self-gratification, lust and wickedness would make up a large percentage of the first group.

You've still failed to explain how male promiscuity is less of an "immoral lifestyle of self-gratification, lust and wickedness" than female promiscuity. Your standards are inconsistent and hypocritical. Why not just admit that you're an adamant misogynist?

 

[nnmartin]

fair share would be along the lines of required sexual activity - say around two times per week.

male promiscuity is different because it is ordained by Nature and is needed by the species.

 

[McBell]

http://www.psych.rochester.edu/rese...tal_SUDTreatmentProstitution-OneYearAfter.pdf

Thank you.

 

[Father Heathen]

fair share would be along the lines of required sexual activity - say around two times per week.

How did you come up with that number? A random dice roll?

male promiscuity is different because it is ordained by Nature and is needed by the species.

But promiscuity requires that it works both ways. How could you have men who have multiple partners without women who also have multiple partners? How exactly is it only natural for guys, but not gals, to be promiscuous? That makes no sense.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Thank you.

You are welcome.

Both recent and older studies suggest
that women involved in prostitution report high rates of
substance use and dependence (Nuttbrock et al., 2004); increased rates of crack, cocaine, and heroin use (El-Bassel et
al., 1997); and frequent intravenous drug use and accidental
drug overdoses (Gilchrist et al., 2005). In a descriptive study
of 43 women involved in prostitution, Dalla (2000) reported
that 37% became involved in prostitution to support drug
use. Among women engaging in prostitution primarily to
obtain food, shelter, or financial support, most also reported
drug use: 53% reported recreational drug use before entry
to prostitution, and 75% reported regular use following involvement in prostitution. Irrespective of the order of onset
of these two domains of risky behavior, these data suggest
that, for some women, prostitution may be relevant to understanding the continuation of substance use.
Prostitution has also been linked to a high incidence
of co-occurring psychosocial and mental health problems,
which may pose additional challenges in the context of SUD
treatment. In an earlier study of the current sample, among
women seeking treatment for SUD, lifetime involvement in
prostitution was associated with childhood sexual abuse,
anxiety symptoms in the past year, and lifetime suicide attempt (Burnette et al., 2008a). Several studies in the 1990s
documented high rates of exposure to interpersonal violence,
including rape and physical assault, and depression and posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) among women engaged
in prostitution (El-Bassel et al., 1997; Farley and Barkan,
1998). More recent data suggest exposure to violence and
mental health problems remain more common among
women involved in prostitution today (Church et al., 2001;
Dalla, 2002; Raj et al., 2006)

75% is a pretty high number. This is damning evidence that this behavior is harmful and therefore immoral.

 

[Banner]

fair share would be along the lines of required sexual activity - say around two times per week.

male promiscuity is different because it is ordained by Nature and is needed by the species.

Lmao...I don't even know where to start. Let me ask you this, how is my personal sex drive not ordained by nature?

 

[Koldo]

75% is a pretty high number. This is damning evidence that this behavior is harmful and therefore immoral.

"In a descriptive study
of 43 women involved in prostitution, Dalla (2000) reported
that 37% became involved in prostitution to support drug
use. Among women engaging in prostitution primarily to
obtain food, shelter, or financial support, most also reported
drug use: 53% reported recreational drug use before entry
to prostitution, and 75% reported regular use following involvement in prostitution."

 

[CynthiaCypher]

"In a descriptive study
of 43 women involved in prostitution, Dalla (2000) reported
that 37% became involved in prostitution to support drug
use. Among women engaging in prostitution primarily to
obtain food, shelter, or financial support, most also reported
drug use: 53% reported recreational drug use before entry
to prostitution, and 75% reported regular use following involvement in prostitution."

43 people is a good size sample. You can't possibly sample every prostitute on the face of the earth. Sorry.

 

[Koldo]

43 people is a good size sample. You can't possibly sample every prostitute on the face of the earth. Sorry.

By what standards?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

By what standards?

By the standards of social science. If you want to throw out all the findings of social science based on the size of the sample group then you have to throw out the majority of its findings. 43 prostitutes is a good sample group. If you don't think so show me why and where Dalla went wrong. Refute the relevance of the findings.