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Is Quantum Mechanics wrong?

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
It is wrong because does not coop with General Relativity. And the reason is the uncertainty principle.

PROOF.

The time in QM is the parameter, not the operator. And then, for any given value of the time, we have an exact position (x,y,z) of the particle. Then using the school math, we get the velocity of the particle.
We came to the contradiction with the position-velocity uncertainty principle.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Why are you so insecure about your religion that you keep posting quasi scientific nonsense?
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
It is wrong because does not coop with General Relativity. And the reason is the uncertainty principle.

PROOF.

The time in QM is the parameter, not the operator. And then, for any given value of the time, we have an exact position (x,y,z) of the particle. Then using the school math, we get the velocity of the particle.
We came to the contradiction with the position-velocity uncertainty principle.
That assumes that GR is correct.
All we can say with certainty is that QM and GR and can't both be right - but they can both be wrong.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
That assumes that GR is correct.
All we can say with certainty is that QM and GR and can't both be right - but they can both be wrong.

Or? They can both be right, depending on which conditions you apply each to.

Neither has the Big Picture, nor the Whole Story.

Just as Newtonian Physics still works for average speed, with relatively short time-frames, under relatively low gravity wells (as compared to a galaxy's).
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
That assumes that GR is correct.
All we can say with certainty is that QM and GR and can't both be right - but they can both be wrong.

GR seems correct as far as it goes, its never been disproved.

QM was not a factor in its formulation.

The holy grail of physics is a unified theory that encompasses both GR and QM...

One day... Maybe one day...
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Or? They can both be right, depending on which conditions you apply each to.

Neither has the Big Picture, nor the Whole Story.

Just as Newtonian Physics still works for average speed, with relatively short time-frames, under relatively low gravity wells (as compared to a galaxy's).
Yes, QM and GR are correct (and always will be) within their domains. But we know that QM and GR make contradicting predictions at the fringes of those domains, especially where the two meet. That is the point where one or both theories will have to be amended to be fit for an environment of high space curvature and quantum scales.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
First rule of Quantum Mechanics, if you think you understand it, you don't.

Second rule of Quantum Mechanics, if the first rule makes sense to you, then you understand Quantum Mechanics.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I am not PhD, but M.Sci.

This does not appear to help you, because the science of physics is simply descriptive of Quantum Mechanics from the human perspective. The present observations, despite unanswered questions, which will always be in all sciences, the patterns of the observations by scientists follow a predictable pattern, and explain the behavior of our physical existence at the plank level beyond the capability of Newtonian physics. If any thing is flawed it is trying to use basic Newtonian physics beyond the nature of our physical existence beyond the macro scale.

Careful with trying to 'argue from ignorance' that because science does not presently have the answers therefore there is some sort of unresolvable conflict.

More to follow.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
It is wrong because does not coop with General Relativity. And the reason is the uncertainty principle.

PROOF.

The time in QM is the parameter, not the operator. And then, for any given value of the time, we have an exact position (x,y,z) of the particle. Then using the school math, we get the velocity of the particle.
We came to the contradiction with the position-velocity uncertainty principle.

No Quantum Mechanics is not wrong, and there is no such valid proof against Quantum Mechanics.
Difference is Quantum Mechanics is based on descriptive scientific methods based on observations of basic particles and energy at the Plank level, and Newtonian physics is descriptive based on observations on the macro level. They are not in conflicts.
 
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