Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[outhouse]

I agree with what I have colored in magenta.

History/Historians do not have a list of all humans born into this world from inception to check from it whether an individual existed or not , for instance Ibrahim existed or not . They could just give an opinion that could be 100% wrong in this connection.

Have they got such a list?

For sure they don't have.

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Why does not one credible historian in the whole world use islams books for Jewish and Christian history?

 

[McBell]

faulty reasoning on many levels = fail

Nope.
Sorry.
Not good enough.

Until such time as you explain why it is faulty reasoning your above quote is nothing more than a bold empty claim.

Ok so none of the events are historical, so what your saying is it is all mythology.

The bible is used as a historical documents why is your book exempt

Wow.
Now there is a magical leap in faith...

How can you expect us to accept your word as reason and logic when you use the above?

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I give below The Holy Quran : Chapter 89: Al-Fajr: [2]

[89:11] And with Pharaoh, lord of vast camps?
[89:12] Who transgressed in the cities,
[89:13] And wrought much corruption therein.
[89:14] Thy Lord then let fall on them the whip of punishment.
[89:15] Surely thy Lord is on the watch
[89:16] As for man, when his Lord tries him and honours him and bestows favours on him, he says, ‘My Lord has honoured me.’
[89:17] But when He tries him and straitens for him his means of subsistence, he says, ‘My Lord has disgraced me.’
[89:18] Nay, but you honour not the orphan,
[89:19] And you urge not one another to feed the poor,
[89:20] And you devour the heritage of other people wholly,

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online


Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world.


Regard

 

[McBell]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I give below The Holy Quran : Chapter 89: Al-Fajr: [2]

[89:11] And with Pharaoh, lord of vast camps?
[89:12] Who transgressed in the cities,
[89:13] And wrought much corruption therein.
[89:14] Thy Lord then let fall on them the whip of punishment.
[89:15] Surely thy Lord is on the watch
[89:16] As for man, when his Lord tries him and honours him and bestows favours on him, he says, ‘My Lord has honoured me.’
[89:17] But when He tries him and straitens for him his means of subsistence, he says, ‘My Lord has disgraced me.’
[89:18] Nay, but you honour not the orphan,
[89:19] And you urge not one another to feed the poor,
[89:20] And you devour the heritage of other people wholly,

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online


Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world.


Regard

I see you are a one trick pony.

Sad that it does nothing to refute the claim of the OP...

But hey, stick to your guns, I am sure you will find some choir members that will be impressed.

 

[outhouse]

Nope.
Sorry.
Not good enough.

Until such time as you explain why it is faulty reasoning your above quote is nothing more than a bold empty claim.



Wow.
Now there is a magical leap in faith...

How can you expect us to accept your word as reason and logic when you use the above?

Sorry you lack the education that would make my statements perfectly clear.


plagiarized or not is the question.


and you don't have the education to judge anything here, but thanks.

 

[McBell]

Sorry you lack the education that would make my statements perfectly clear.


plagiarized or not is the question.


and you don't have the education to judge anything here, but thanks.

So bold empty claim it is.

Thank you for trying to play.

 

[outhouse]

So bold empty claim it is.

.

He claims they are not historical documents. If they are not they cannot be used for historical purposes.

Yet they factually are used by muslims as history, and they are required to believe the pseudo history.

 

[outhouse]

So bold empty claim it is.

Thank you for trying to play.

You don't have the intellect nor education to judge me, with credibility.

 

[Aamer]

faulty reasoning on many levels = fail

Ok so none of the events are historical, so what your saying is it is all mythology.


The bible is used as a historical documents why is your book exempt

When did I say "my book" is exempt? I believe for reasons other than historical documentation.

 

[outhouse]

When did I say "my book" is exempt? I believe for reasons other than historical documentation.

So you use it as history when you feel like it

 

[McBell]

You don't have the intellect nor education to judge me, with credibility.

You really like presenting empty claims as fact, don't you?

Hopefully you did not dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back.

Now since I am not interested in your game of Pigeon Chess....

 

[outhouse]

You really like presenting empty claims as fact, don't you?

Hopefully you did not dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back.

Now since I am not interested in your game of Pigeon Chess....

You have no pieces to play chess.

 

[outhouse]

The only two choices are plagiarism or magic.

And magic does not determine history with any credibility, leaving only one answer.


Thanks for playing

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I give below The Holy Quran : Chapter 89: Al-Fajr: [3]

[89:21] And you love wealth with exceeding love.
[89:22] Nay, when the earth is completely broken into pieces and made level;
[89:23] And thy Lord comes and also the angels ranged in rows after rows;
[89:24] And Hell is brought near that day; on that day man will remember, but of what avail shall be his remembrance?
[89:25] He will say, ‘O would that I had sent on some good works for my life here!’
[89:26] So on that day none can punish like unto His punishment,
[89:27] And none can bind like unto His binding;
[89:28] And thou, O soul at peace!
[89:29] Return to thy Lord well pleased with Him and He well pleased with thee.
[89:30] So enter thou among My chosen servants,
[89:31] And enter thou My Garden.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world.


Regard

 

[outhouse]

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world.


Regard

Why does not one credible historian in the whole world use islams books for Jewish and Christian history?

 

[paarsurrey]

History/Historians do not have a list of all humans born into this world from inception to check from it whether an individual existed or not , for instance Ibrahim existed or not . They could just give an opinion that could be 100% wrong .

Have they got such a list?

Regards

 

[outhouse]

History/Historians do not have a list of all humans born into this world from inception to check from it whether an individual existed or not , for instance Ibrahim existed or not . They could just give an opinion that could be 100% wrong .

Have they got such a list?

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It is on you to prove Abraham was a real person and not mythology.

Your reply does not answer the question.

Why does not one credible historian in the whole world use islams books for Jewish and Christian history?

 

[idav]

It is on you to prove Abraham was a real person and not mythology.

I would say that region has had its share of dictators that might resemble Abraham and its conquests for the holy land. How many have claimed rights to those lands these past thousands of years. Land promised to Abraham and still not given to him very easily, struggling for these lands even in the bible with gods direct help.

 

[outhouse]

I would say that region has had its share of dictators that might resemble Abraham and its conquests for the holy land. How many have claimed rights to those lands these past thousands of years. Land promised to Abraham and still not given to him very easily, struggling for these lands even in the bible with gods direct help.

Every aspect of Abraham is mythology, and we see he is a later literary creation.

he factually has no historicity as a real person.


Monotheism did not exist as a culture in Israel until after 622BC and even then it took hundreds of year for this political decision to take hold with all the people.


None of Israel's history in the bible is accurate before 1000 BC and its spotty after that for a few hundred years with heavy mythology and rhetoric.


Abraham is just one example. We could deal with the Exodus, since it never happened either. Israelites evolved from Canaanites, and there factually was no conquest over Canaan and no mass migration from Egypt.


Israel wrote pseudo history because they had no idea about their past after being wiped out and oppressed so many times before the Jewish text was even completed.

islam copied/plagiarized this pseudo history, not knowing it never happened. Science and history both show these errors that refutes all of islams claims about their prophet actually being a prophet, when he was just another war lord

 

[paarsurrey]

I would say that region has had its share of dictators that might resemble Abraham and its conquests for the holy land. How many have claimed rights to those lands these past thousands of years. Land promised to Abraham and still not given to him very easily, struggling for these lands even in the bible with gods direct help.

Quran does not mention of such Abraham who was promised any real estate or lands and who hankered after occupying lands as you have mentioned above perhaps from Bible.

Quran mention Ibrahim who was a righteous person and had a different character. There is one chapter in Quran named after Ibrahim. I would like to quote from it here:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 14: Ibrahim

[14:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[14:2] Alif Lam Ra. This is a Book which We have revealed to thee that thou mayest bring mankind out of every kind of darkness into light, by the command of their Lord, to the path of the Mighty, the Praiseworthy —
[14:3] Allah, to Whom belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. And woe to the disbelievers for a terrible punishment:
[14:4] Those who prefer the present life to the Hereafter, and hinder men from the way of Allah and seek to make it crooked. It is these who have gone far off in error.
[14:5] And We have not sent any Messenger except with the language of his people in order that he might make things clear to them. Then Allah lets go astray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills. And He is the Mighty, the Wise.
[14:6] And We did send Moses with Our Signs, saying, ‘Bring forth thy people from every kind of darkness into light, and remind them of the days of Allah.’ Surely, therein are Signs for every patient and thankful person.
[14:7] And call to mind when Moses said to his people, ‘Remember Allah’s favour upon you when He delivered you from Pharaoh’s people who afflicted you with grievous torment, slaying your sons and sparing your women; and in that there was a great trial for you from your Lord.’
[14:8] And remember also the time when your Lord declared, ‘If you are grateful, I will, surely, bestow more favours on you; but if you are ungrateful, then know that My punishment is severe indeed.’
[14:9] And Moses said, ‘If you disbelieve, you and those who are in the earth all together,you can do no harm to God; verily, Allah is Self- Sufficient, Praiseworthy.’
[14:10] Have not the tidings come to you of those before you, the people of Noah, and the tribes of ‘Ad and Thamud, and those after them? None knows them now save Allah. Their Messengers came to them with clear Signs, but they turned their hands to their mouths, and said, ‘We disbelieve in that with which you have been sent and surely, we are in disquieting doubt concerning that to which you call us.’

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

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