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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I give below The Holy Quran : Chapter 83: Al-Tatfif: [3]

[83:21] It is a Book written comprehensively.
[83:22] The chosen ones of God will witness it.
[83:23] Surely the virtuous will be in bliss,
[83:24] Seated on couches, gazing.
[83:25] Thou wilt find in their faces the freshness of bliss.
[83:26] They will be given to drink of a pure sealed beverage,
[83:27] The sealing of it will be with musk — for this let the aspirants aspire —
[83:28] And it will be tempered with the water of Tasnim,
[83:29] A spring of which the chosen ones will drink.
[83:30] Those who were guilty used to laugh at those who believed;

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world.


Regard
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted

No one states the verses were copied.


Verses in a book may not be plagiarized, but that does not address the ones that were plagiarized.


How about Moses and Abraham and Adam and Eve? how are they not plagiarized?


Try and answer my questions honestly and in a straight forward manner please.
 

Apple Sugar

Active Member
Do you think YEC is fanaticism due to literalism?
I think YEC is naive. Literalism has not a thing to do with it.

Scripture tells Christians that God does not count time as we count time. A six day creation? A six thousand, at most 10 thousand year old planet earth?
Dinosaur fossils are hidden by Satan so as to be found by archeologists and challenge the YEC's faith?

That's not fanaticism. That's just bad humor and elective ignorance. (or stupidity if one doesn't want to be kind)
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I think YEC is naïve

No, it Is the exact definition fanaticism.

. Literalism has not a thing to do with it.


:facepalm: it has everything to do with it.


That's not fanaticism



Look up the definition. :facepalm:


fanaticism (fəˈnætɪˌsɪzəm)
n
1. wildly excessive or irrational devotion, dedication, or enthusiasm


There is nothing rational of throwing out science, geology, paleontology, and so many more.

Religious fanaticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Religious fanatic 1. A person that believes a sacred book is fact and that all other views are wrong


takes care of almost all muslims right there.


3. A person that denies all logic, science, and common sense in order to find comfort in faith.


All of YEC right there
 

Apple Sugar

Active Member
Looking in a mirror?
No.I'm looking at you desperate to be taken seriously. Never condemn zealots when your statement about passion, and it is not the healthy brand, is an example of zealotry. As is your entire tirade about your educational background.

If you hope to teach you shouldn't condescend.
If you are learned you should show respect for the field you study and the characters you instead demonstrate contempt for in these forums.
Lower case "j" for Jesus, who was Yeshua, speaks volumes for your level of education. And respect for the time spent.

You have nothing to teach me. Save for how to never become hate and hateful. And then allegedly study extensively so as to demonstrate why that hate has a valid reason to consume as it seeks to take others with it if they engage it in a forum.

We're done here. But now I truly do understand the metaphor behind the name.




I have more passion then you ever will. I actually study religion because I have a passion for it. As well as science and history.

I specialize in Israelites ethnogenesis and historical jesus research, as well as flood and creation mythology. I have studied Paul at Harvard and the NT under Dale B Martin at Yale. and been researching almost solid the past 4 years.

Now your welcome to learn what religion is all about, OT you can keep attacking the messenger out of desperation and lack of credible sources that back your mythology.


This thread is about getting closed minded muslims to recognize the plagiarism you admit, while it will always be a loosing battle with the mulsim keeping the thread alive, there are those more modern on the fence, and it is the casual onlooker we have a chance of helping.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I give below The Holy Quran : Chapter 83: Al-Tatfif: [4]

[83:31] And when they passed by them, they winked at one another.
[83:32] And when they returned to their families they returned exulting;
[83:33] And when they saw them they said, ‘These indeed are the lost ones!’
[83:34] But they were not sent as keepers over them.
[83:35] This day, therefore, it is the believers who will laugh at the disbelievers,
[83:36] Seated on couches, gazing.
[83:37] Are not the disbelievers duly paid for what they did?

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world.


Regard
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
No.I'm looking at you desperate to be taken seriously. Never condemn zealots when your statement about passion, and it is not the healthy brand, is an example of zealotry. As is your entire tirade about your educational background.

If you hope to teach you shouldn't condescend.
If you are learned you should show respect for the field you study and the characters you instead demonstrate contempt for in these forums.
Lower case "j" for Jesus, who was Yeshua, speaks volumes for your level of education. And respect for the time spent.

You have nothing to teach me. Save for how to never become hate and hateful. And then allegedly study extensively so as to demonstrate why that hate has a valid reason to consume as it seeks to take others with it if they engage it in a forum.

We're done here. But now I truly do understand the metaphor behind the name.

No.I'm looking at you desperate to be taken seriously.

You make a good and appreciable point.

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I have so far quoted following 33 short but full chapters from Quran in this thread:[Summary]

83. Al-Tatfif,84. Al-Inshiqaq,85. Al-Buruj,86. Al-Tariq,87. Al-A`la,88. Al-Ghashiyah,89. Al-Fajr,90. Al-Balad,91. Al-Shams,92. Al-Lail,93. Al-Duha,94. Al-Inshirah,95. Al-Tin,96. Al-`Alaq,97. Al-Qadr,98. Al-Bayyinah,99. Al-Zilzal,100. Al-`Adiyat,101. Al-Qari`ah,102. Al-Takathur,103. Al-`Asr,104. Al-Humazah,105. Al-Fil,106. Al-Quraish,107. Al-Ma`un,108. Al-Kauthar,109. Al-Kafirun,110. Al-Nasr,111. Al-Lahab,112. Al-Ikhlas,113. Al-Falaq,114. Al-Nas,1. Al-Fatihah. 14. Ibrahim.

Our Jewish (or non-Jewish) friends have not been able to quote or reference places of Torah where any of the verses of these Thirty three Quranic chapters have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from.

There being 114 Surahs/chapters in Quran. Number-wise this makes about 1/3 of Quran.

We can therefore conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of these chapters of Quran have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah.

Quran is, therefore, the Word Revealed from G-d and authored by Him and is original.

Regards
 

outhouse

Atheistically
From a modern scholarly perspective, similarities between Biblical and Quranic accounts of the same person or event are evidence for the influence of pre-existing traditions on the composition of the Qur'an.

wiki
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
From a modern scholarly perspective, similarities between Biblical and Quranic accounts of the same person or event are evidence for the influence of pre-existing traditions on the composition of the Qur'an.

wiki

1. How would you define it in your own words. Please don't copy, adapt and plagiarize from any dictionary.
2. Is that inerrant?

Regards
 

outhouse

Atheistically
From a modern scholarly perspective, similarities between Biblical and Quranic accounts of the same person or event are evidence for the influence of pre-existing traditions on the composition of the Qur'an.

wiki
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
From a modern scholarly perspective, similarities between Biblical and Quranic accounts of the same person or event are evidence for the influence of pre-existing traditions on the composition of the Qur'an.

wiki

You should not have copied/adapted or plagiarize from wiki. Please give it in your own words.

Regards
 
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