dybmh
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That's true. But that doesn't mean that religious Jews aren't having tons of babies, and that's what I said at the beginning.
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That's true. But that doesn't mean that religious Jews aren't having tons of babies, and that's what I said at the beginning.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Here you go:
"
A survey by the Pew Research Center, conducted last December and released Wednesday, showed that 89 percent of American Jews believe in God, compared to 99 percent of Christians, 72 percent of unaffiliated people and 90 percent of Americans overall.
But only 33 percent of Jews believe in a biblical God, compared to 80 percent of Christians. A majority of Jews believe in “some other higher power of spiritual force in the universe,” according to the study. Ten percent of Jews do not believe in God."
10% are Atheists.
You just cannot admit you lack knowledge of basic logic. All of them are atheists, since that would reduce to the empty sets whose elements satisfy all properties.
Why does the empty set or null set or void set (Φ) satisfies every property, every theorem, etc. in the set theory, topology?
Answer (1 of 7): The reason is actually quite fundamental. And make no mistake, this is a good question. After all, might it be unsettling the concept of even implying something from nothingness? Well, the reasoning is that it creates a whole lot more eloquent type of math. In mathematical logi...
An easy way to see this is to ask the the question: What negates my statement that all the Jews I know are atheists? the answer is: there is at least one Jew I know that is not an atheist. But if I knew no Jews then this is clearly false, and therefore the former statement is true.
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- viole
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dybmh
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Nope. Your statement fails with the word "are". "Are" defines something that exists.You just cannot admit you lack knowledge of basic logic. All of them are atheists, since that would reduce to the empty sets whose elements satisfy all properties.
Why does the empty set or null set or void set (Φ) satisfies every property, every theorem, etc. in the set theory, topology?
Answer (1 of 7): The reason is actually quite fundamental. And make no mistake, this is a good question. After all, might it be unsettling the concept of even implying something from nothingness? Well, the reasoning is that it creates a whole lot more eloquent type of math. In mathematical logi...www.quora.com
An easy way to see this is to ask the the question: What negates my statement that all the Jews I know are atheists? the answer is: there is at least one Jew I know that is not an atheist. But if I knew no Jews then this is clearly false, and therefore the former statement is true.
Ciao
- viole
And if you are admitting that your "knowing" is a void set. Then you have admitted to knowing null, nothing.
Maybe, if your "I know nothing about Jews" post was trying to say, "You don't know how many babies are coming from religious Jews." you should have asked, "How do you know that religious Jews are having lots of babies?" Then I would have directed you to the data coming from Israel showing that.
The bottom line is, I knew something true and contributed. You knew nothing and didn't.
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Nope. if I said I believe there are living beings in other planets, I can still make a positive claim, involving the word "are", even though I have no clue whether those beings really exist.
Hence, your rebuttal fails, again.
And again, it is a fact known since the beginning of logic, that claims about the members of an empty set always obtain. So, I am not not sure how you are going to defeat this.
Ciao
- viole
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
That isn't a valid example. The fault here is that when using symbolic language, the symbol used represents something that exists. When working out the logic to derive the null set, it is ASSUMED that the X, or Y, or, Z exists. Since "All the Jews I know" is not real and does not exist, then you have said:
Null are Atheists. "Null" contradicts "are".
And that's why your logic fails, and the example you gave is invalid. You need to bring a proof that begins with a null set, then makes a claim about its properties which is true. It will fail each and everytime with 1 exception. Null is null.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
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And, likewise, if you don't know anyone of a group then you can't rightly say those of this group you know are xxx. That's a gnarly contradiction to not know anyone but know them.
Looks to me you're both wrong. There's nothing unusual, new, unheard of or suspicious of a Jew who is an atheist. So.e of them are.
And, likewise, if you don't know anyone of a group then you can't rightly say those of this group you know are xxx. That's a gnarly contradiction to not know anyone but know them.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If you don't know someone of a group you can't rightly attribute something to all of them you know. You don't even know any to quantify a statement of "all of them I know."
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I actually can. So, tell me, what can prevent me from claiming to believe there is life on other planets?
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- viole
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That is a belief in something that appears likely. You aren't saying you don't know any extraterrestrials but all the extraterrestrials you know are Mormon.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
But that's not true.All swans are white.
Consider this: the set consisting of married bachelors is the null set. This is obviously true.
Ergo, all members of the null set are married bachelors. Even though we all know that that there are no married bachelors.
So, how is that wrong, considering that this is what very young math students use every day?
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- viole
I never said anything like that.
I simply claimed: all Jews I know are atheists.
Now, assuming I know no Jews, could you please show me how my claim is wrong?
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- viole
This is getting awfully technical...
If I say all Jews I know are atheists, and I only know one Jew, the statement would be true, but it would be misleading to use in a discussion such as this. It seems it would be twisting a fact to make it appear to be the way I wanted it to be...
Unless it was a joke, but I haven't really picked that up(but perhaps the humor went over my head).
If I say all Jews I know are atheists, and I only know one Jew, the statement would be true, but it would be misleading to use in a discussion such as this. It seems it would be twisting a fact to make it appear to be the way I wanted it to be...
Unless it was a joke, but I haven't really picked that up(but perhaps the humor went over my head).
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Yes, because null is null.
True, again, null is null.
It's not wrong, you're just misapplying this to "All the Jews I know are Atheists"
And I think you're exaggerating again. Very young, is probably exaggerated here. "Use eveyday" is exaggerated. And even if it's true ( which is highly suspect ) it's just an ad-pop fallacy.
Again, you need to begin with a null set and apply a property to it.
Married bachelors are blue is false.
If you are a math teacher, and you are teaching this to your students, you are teaching them wrong.
Answer this: Are Atheists a null set?
Now. This is a true statement: "All the Atheist Jews you know is null".
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Yes, my point. i am not sure what your point is. You seem to believe that having no elements, does not grant making statements about them. Which is obviously not the case.
For any property P:
- For every element of the empty set, the property P holds.
so, if your math teacher taught you differently, I would sue him
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- viole
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muhammad_isa
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Yes .. but is religion dying?so, if your math teacher taught you differently, I would sue him
Depends where you live, and what religion, I should think.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Atheists are an element; you claimed they were a member of an empty set. That is false.
"All the Jews you know are Atheists" is false if "All the Jews you know" is an empty set.
Null are Atheists is false.