Is religion necessary for social order?

[Betho_br]

That is the most irrational POV, so everything else that follows is necessarily nonsense.

Drive thru, come again.

Perhaps he wants to direct the POV towards highly developed secular countries such as Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands.

 

[an anarchist]

Sure! If atheism is the most irrational worldview, why spend any time and energy discussing what that position implies? I don't get it.

Well, because it is not the most irrational view.

 

[an anarchist]

Well, because it is not the most irrational view.

This is beyond the scope of this thread though, so that's all I am going to say on this.

 

[Valjean]

Yes

It makes individuals into parts of a community which decreases social chaos!

It is a big part of the way things are

In multi-religious societies religion can be divisive and increase chaos and animosity. In mono-religious societies, religious orthodoxy and conformity often lead to repression and coercive laws.

 

[Valjean]

If there is no God, there is no need of God. But reality is without God and his forces, earth would be in a lot worse state in terms of havoc, war and injustice.

Yet regions with less religion have less violence and inequality, as well as more security, prosperity, and happiness.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Daniel 6:7 KJV
All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.

King Darius must not have liked your comment...

Salix 1:43 RFV
Biblical verses shall not refute statements made on RF by SalixIncendium, O esteemed member of RF.

Where's your crown King Nothing?

 

[Betho_br]

Yet regions with less religion have less violence and inequality, as well as more security, prosperity, and happiness.

Is this proven by statistics?

 

[Revoltingest]

War in Gaza isn’t because of Christianity. That’s ridiculous

Christians as a group strongly support Zionism.
And Israel's doing as it pleases with money &
materiel they send there. Evidence...
How many non-Christians & non-Jews support
this....any?

 

[LuisDantas]

If there is no God, there is no need of God.

God-belief seems to be (almost?) unavoidable for some people, though.

But reality is without God and his forces, earth would be in a lot worse state in terms of havoc, war and injustice.

That is... unlikely at best.

 

[LuisDantas]

Christians as a group strongly support Zionism.
And Israel's doing as it pleases with money &
materiel they send there. Evidence...
How many non-Christians & non-Jews support
this....any?

A bit off-topic, but I wonder how public opinions on this matter are distributed in India.

 

[Jimmy]

Christians as a group strongly support Zionism.
And Israel's doing as it pleases with money &
materiel they send there. Evidence...
How many non-Christians & non-Jews support
this....any?

they’ve been fighting each other for over 100 years over there. It’s time to cast aside the blame and live together in peace. There is no other way forward.

 

[Valjean]

Is this proven by statistics?

Most of this is pretty much common knowledge by now. Surveys and studies are done pretty regularly by various organizations, on crime and corruption rates, income inequality, prosperity indices, security, and happiness.

Was there something specific you wanted clarified?

 

[Revoltingest]

they’ve been fighting each other for over 100 years over there. It’s time to cast aside the blame and live together in peace. There is no other way forward.

Casting aside the blame, eh.
Would that still allow recognizing that Israel's
brutal oppression, theft, killing, & torture over
70 years? Without understanding that this must
end, there will be no peace.

 

[Betho_br]

That is... unlikely at best.

It seems that you are correct from the perspective of the Levant region. If we think logically, in the first chapter of Genesis, the first couple was made in the image of Elohim and blessed, and man could eat from all the trees (Genesis 1:29). When the metaphysical Adam enters in the second chapter, all chaos begins on earth...

 

[We Never Know]

The question I ask today is Is religion necessary for social order?.

I invite everyone of all faiths (or lack of faith) to participate in this thread. I do ask that we go with the hypothetical assumption that there is no God(s) or anything of metaphysical nature, like the atheists believe. The reason I ask we go with the atheist POV for this thread is that it will help us better analyze the title question .

Since the dawn of Civilization, there has been religion.

For a moment, suppose there is no God. Would it be preferable (or at the very least non-consequential) then, if society as a whole eventually moved away from the God belief? Or does religion play an essential role in social order, regardless of the lack of God?

I am not sure my opinion on the matter. I will say that there are many individuals who may never be able to accept that there might be no consciousness after death. Religion seems to play an important role in stemming an individual's fear of death. Perhaps if scientist were to somehow prove that the unfalsifiable concept of God was false, I believe a mass existential crisis across society could occur.

I made this thread to get your perspectives!

"Since the dawn of Civilization, there has been religion."

Since the dawn of Civilization, humans have been killing each other.

 

[Betho_br]

Most of this is pretty much common knowledge by now. Surveys and studies are done pretty regularly by various organizations, on crime and corruption rates, income inequality, prosperity indices, security, and happiness.

Was there something specific you wanted clarified?

Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and the Netherlands, Ok. Do these characteristics exist in third-world countries?

 

[Betho_br]

"Since the dawn of Civilization, there has been religion."

Since the dawn of Civilization, humans have been killing each other.

What is the earliest archaeological evidence of the mention of a god?

 

[We Never Know]

What is the earliest archaeological evidence of the mention of a god?

You are asking the wrong person. I don't keep up with beliefs.

 

[Jimmy]

Casting aside the blame, eh.
Would that still allow recognizing that Israel's
brutal oppression, theft, killing, & torture over
70 years? Without understanding that this must
end, there will be no peace.

Isn’t that what I just said? For each side to live in peace?

 

[Betho_br]

You are asking the wrong person. I don't keep up with beliefs.

Okay. Is archaeology a science? Don’t you follow science?