LeftyLen
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Marxism, in its application is very religious, in particular in its newest mutation, woke. Now it seems cognitive dissonance has taken over, as i could post definitive lists of Marxist atrocities
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Is religion necessary for social order?
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Whateverist
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Perhaps, that is probably why it evolved in human societies. But it certainly isn’t sufficient. Religion like any other institution will seek to perpetuate the biases and blind spots of those who control them. I would concede that religion at its best is a boon for societal cohesion. I lament that it has become so corruptible and ineffective now. No doubt its demise will contribute to all the fronts on which are nearing collapse.
LeftyLen
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- 65 million in the People's Republic of China
- 20 million in the Soviet Union
- 2 million in Cambodia
- 2 million in North Korea
- 1.7 million in Ethiopia
- 1.5 million in Afghanistan
- 1 million in the Eastern Bloc
- 1 million in Vietnam
- 150,000 in Latin America
- 10,000 deaths "resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power
- The execution of tens of thousands of hostages and prisoners
- The murder of hundreds of thousands of rebellious workers and peasants from 1918 to 1922
- The Russian famine of 1921 which caused the death of 5 million people
- The decossackization, a policy of systematic repression against the Don Cossacks between 1917 and 1933
- The murder of tens of thousands in the Gulag during the period between 1918 and 1930
- The Great Purge which killed almost 690,000 people
- The dekulakization, resulting in the deportation of 2 million so-called kulaks from 1930 to 1932
- The death of 4 million Ukrainians (Holodomor) and 2 million others during the famine of 1932 and 1933
- The deportations of Poles, Ukrainians, Moldovans, and people from the Baltic states from 1939 to 1941 and from 1944 to 1945
- The deportation of the Volga Germans in 1941
- The deportation of the Crimean Tatars in 1944
- Operation Lentil and deportation of the Ingush in 1944
Marxism mimics religion in that followers believe
that it would be fair, peaceful, efficient, & egalitarian.
But there's no empirical evidence for this outcome.
Actually, all evidence is to the contrary.
Conflating Marxism with "woke" is absurd.
LeftyLen
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Its absurd not to understand that woke is cultural Marxism, its derivation is historically, sociologically clear, concise
Explain how you believe "woke" is Marxist?
LeftyLen
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The Woke mob departs some from the Marxists of the last hundred years, dressing themselves up in slightly different rhetoric replacing past marxist economics with race and sex. Having grown up around fundamentalists and now seeing the growth of Woke there is little to differentiate the secular Woke from the fundamentalists, the similarities obvious.
--The Woke have replaced Marx's ‘proletariat’ with ‘marginalized. ’
--Marx's ‘economic struggle’ is now replaced by ‘intersectionality.‘
--Marx’s utopian fantasy, from socialism to communism has been replaced with the woke fantasy of, ’ inclusive equitable society.’ Both fundamentalism and the woke entertain grand fantasies, utopian visions.
-Marx openly hated democracy which he saw as empowering oppressor/ victim, giving more power to the bourgeoisie with greater abilities to exploit the proletariat. The Woke, unlike liberals are not concerned with equality of opportunity but the equality of outcome. The woke, unlike the traditional Marxists see oppressor/victim as primarily racial and sexual with only an omnipotent state structure the means to enforce ‘equity.’ Democratic institutions to the woke are inherently phobe-hater-bigot-fascist, and racist, and, in lockstep with Marxism, as a consequence must be overturned.
---For the Marxist totalitarian the collectivist ideal is the goal, not the individual who must be subservient to the collective ideals, that has stayed the same with the emergence of Woke.
--the Woke hold subjectivity above objective facts rendering both religions, their narratives, dogmatically foisted are religious claims.
--A common saying among the Woke faithful is ‘Your truth/my truth’ meaning no objective standard for truth exists. The fundamentalists say they know something is true ‘in their heart,’ further examples of both being religious.
--woke is ridged and dogmatic thus rejecting debate or critical analysis. fundamentalists on the far right say free inquiry, open debate gives open air to Satan and his minions, declaring debate should be suppressed because it breeds ‘contentiousness.’ The Woke say debate gives exploitative powers to various oppressors. Other reasons offered by the woke to suppress debate and discourse in general are declarations like, “debate causes division!” Open debate is expository, revealing in the dialectic process objective facts and sometimes truth. When one accepts objective reality lies are short circuited thus facts have no fear of free inquiry or open debate. A lie hates free inquiry and as a consequence woke totalitarians strive to suppress free inquiry, free speech and debate.
No substance there.
How does "woke" seek to impose socialism & communism?
LeftyLen
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From what i wrote for class,> Feelings should according to the woke replace objective standards. Both the woke and fundamentalists reject objective reality itself. Some woke professors like Jelani Cobb and Ibram X. Kendi call 'objectivity ' itself racist, objectivity a “pillar of white supremacy.” The longstanding American ideal of a mixed marketplaces of contending ideas, open debate and letting the public decide issues for themselves is wholly rejected further indicative of the religiously totalitarian mindset of woke dogma. The totalitarianism nature of woke I see at work in blue states where they are calling for new laws penalizing hate speech. A woke promoter, Mariam Kendrick speaking of conservative media stated, “striving to ‘represent all points of view equally’ is absurd as social justice concerns trounce objectivity which serves ‘racism’ and various oppressive phobias. Kendrick stated, “Journalists should exclusively advocate social causes rather than aiming to be balanced.” Decades ago a Marxist dictator named Fidel asserted there was total freedom of speech in his country. The gesturing dictator declared total free speech existed with the exclusion of speech that, ‘went against the will of the people’- meaning speech that disagreed with him. When someone says they are for free speech but against ‘hate speech’ what that means is banning speech they hate, thus quantifiably they are no different from Fidel Castro. The first amendment is ubiquitous, the amendment not protecting love speech, nice speech, friendly speech, happy speech, the first amendment protects FREE speech rendering other considerations irrelevant."
LeftyLen
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The hundred plus years of socialism as demonstrated with its repression and body count leaves no question as to its merits. In totalitarian socialist countries anything standing in the way of the progressive march of socialism in action or thought was labeled by socialists as ‘reactionary’ or ‘bourgeois.’ For the Marxists all material goods were to be redistributed to the proletariat, all divergent ‘bourgeois ‘ thought repressed, counter-revolutionary heretics reeducated or killed. The Marxists believed real family structures, religious, social traditions and science were obstacles to the collectivist state – atavism's to be overcome and ultimately dismantled, as seen in the Soviet Union. Today the woke claim, ‘hetero-normative family structures are inherently misogynistic thus oppressive.’ What is ironic about the woke rhetoric is it sounds almost the same as what was implemented in former totalitarian states, in particular Mao's cultural revolution with its own massive body count. If unleashed in America the devastation from both extremes, considering their collective histories is unquestionable.
It appears that you're attributing traits to "woke" that aren't part of it.
LeftyLen
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Wokes Genesis is in the Frankfort school of Marxism where economics were replaced with 'identity', thus todays 'identity politics. Now societal ills resurrected ad nausium to stimulate false dilemmas about victim/oppressors is a propaganda ploy by demagogues craving power, historically an old stratagem employed by autocrats for centuries. This old tactic is brazenly employed by the woke mob. The manufacturing of a threat, a tactic of totalitarians, assertions of an enemy, seen or not seen, real or unreal as justification of parasitic governments demanding ever increasing power to crush oppressors a maneuver also employed by demagogues for centuries. History displays over and over without exception the ceding of power to despotic leaders fosters totalitarianism. For the woke a continual menace from an oppressive power must exist or the entire woke narrative collapses. For the woke the menace of phobes-haters-bigots-fascists must be kept alive, endlessly promoted as a real existential threat resulting in the need to generate ever-more government power to combat the perils of phobes-haters-bigots-fascists, meaning all not...them.
You have quite the imagination.
LeftyLen
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I not Bill Mahar, hardly a conservative is targeted by the woke. He is a liberal, but not a leftist 'woke' In addition those who survived Maos 'cultural revolution have noted the strong connection, down to the rhetoric between todays woke and Maos Marxism. They have written books on this and made warnings about the clear similarities. I would trust those who have gone through such hell.
LeftyLen
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applying the 'Horsehoe theory' Cultural Marxists, the extreme left Woke who label all who disagree phobes-haters-bigots-fascists. Ironically like the fundamentalist, science is held in contempt by the Woke. Empirical science upholds basic biology, which like the fundamentalists also go against subjective narratives of the woke mob. As I encountered the Woksters online I found promoting facts only earn ad hominem comments leading to their blocking of myself and all who dare disagree. In a group with ‘woke mob’ members I, like all others who disagreed were designated as a ‘phobe-hater-bigot-fascist,’ thus all objective facts presented were dismissed amid frantic cyber arm waving. The facts of biology are clear, no amount of drugs, self-mutilation or ideology will alter XX or XY chromosomes. It was openly declared online by the Woke the facts of biology are of no consequence, subjective feelings transcending objective reality. The Woke promoters of gender ideology brazenly state how one subjectively feels is paramount, and is all that matters. To the woke if one wants to declare themselves a pineapple, basketball, Apache helicopter or another gender, that's what they are and you, with the rest of society must accept it or your a phoebe-hater-bigot-fascist. My banning from a woke dominated group resulted from posting that XX and XY chromosomes are not malleable. The old horseshoe theory, that opposites meet is seen in the similarities between the fundamentalists and woke.
Many people write books.
Not all books are cromulent.
BTW, I have family who survived Mao's China.
So I've heard that perspective of its horrors.
Nonetheless, conflating "woke" & Marxism is bogus.
LeftyLen
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Then tens of thousands who have survived Marxist regimes, and thousands of others must have a 'big imagination'
See post# 157.
You ain't say'n anything I ain't already heard.
LeftyLen
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All points, extensive evidences, STAND until a coherent rebuttal is offered. To deny the Frankfort school of Marxism exists, the clear derivation of woke from deviant of Marxism, as testified by tens of thousands, is textbook denial