Is religion necessary for social order?

[Valjean]

Marxism, in its application is very religious, in particular in its newest mutation, woke. Now it seems cognitive dissonance has taken over, as i could post definitive lists of Marxist atrocities

What the heck is "woke?" To me it means culturally and politically aware, sophisticated, or knowledgeable.
How are these bad things?

 

[Revoltingest]

What the heck is "woke?" To me it means culturally and politically aware, sophisticated or knowledgeble.

"Woke" is everything that JD Vance & Trump hate.
(It even includes kale.)

 

[Godobeyer]

This points out our having different values,
eg, women being allowed to drive cars, or go
out unaccompanied by a male family member
to supervise them. Girls being allowed to go
to school...or expose their face in public.

Here women drive car and go school show face public.
My mother drive car, she show her face, wear hijab.
That's personal issue.

I meant community.
Community here low violence.
Rare steal,low crimes. Compared to USA.
Maybe here because government don't allow guns.
Here just threaten people in public by knight, could be jailed.
Edited to add, Btw Saudi arabia allow women drive car.
My auntie drive car she Saudi woman.
She is teacher

 

[Revoltingest]

Here women drive car and go school show face public.
My mother drive car, she show her face, wear hijab.
That's personal issue. I meant community.
Community here low violence.
Rare steal,low crimes. Compared to USA.
Maybe here because government don't allow guns.
Here just threaten people in public by knight, could be jailed.

The level & types of oppression vary from country to country.
Even if things are great for you in your country, your "great"
likely isn't my "great". And then there are also the Taliban
& other Muslim regimes we'd agree are nasty.

 

[Godobeyer]

The level & types of oppression vary from country to country.
Even if things are great for you in your country, your "great"
likely isn't my "great". And then there are also the Taliban
& other Muslim regimes we'd agree are nasty.

I just added in previous comment.

Btw Saudi arabia allow women drive car.
My auntie drive car she Saudi woman.
She is teacher

 

[Godobeyer]

The level & types of oppression vary from country to country.
Even if things are great for you in your country, your "great"
likely isn't my "great". And then there are also the Taliban
& other Muslim regimes we'd agree are nasty.

Even muslims countries are different in safety.
Saudi arabia more safety than Algeria, so on.

 

[Revoltingest]

I just added in previous comment.

Btw Saudi arabia allow women drive car.
My auntie drive car she Saudi woman.
She is teacher

I'd heard of that recent relaxing of prohibitions.

 

[Revoltingest]

Even muslims countries are different in safety.
Saudi arabia more safety than Algeria, so on.

When safety is achieved by authoritarian
means, it ceases being a positive.

 

[Nimos]

Okay, please explain what is rational to you and use evidence from science to back it up as your standard stated.

Any discriminating laws are a good example, whether they are against race, gender or sexuality.

 

[clara17]

Christians of the American fundamentalist type lie constantly, online at least. The news sources they use are a constant flow of bull****, their opinions and ideas about the world are rooted in lies and fantasies. I’ve never met one who wasn’t an inveterate liar. Not that they seem to know it; if all you have is lies, presumably you believe its all true, but on the other hand none of them, when asked to, can ever provide anything but the words of some other liar as a basis for what they think. So either they really have no clue about how to engage with real things and real ideas, or they just feel they are somehow right, and that is enough for them.

If you actually know anything about history, Historical Proof that the Bible is the Truth – ReadTheHistory.com
you realize all of it perfectly matches with the Bible.

 

[clara17]

I don't know if "duped" is the right word to describe
Zionism relative to other religious beliefs, which are
all irrational. Zionism is no less irrational, except perhaps
in regard to Christianity & Judasim being extremely
hypocritical, ie, practice vs professed beliefs in the value
of all human lives.

Zionism, in the words of its own creators/founders has nothing to do with religion, and its leaders are not religious. It was a political strategy for strategic control of the region.

As far as Christianity being hypocritical, I dont understand, maybe you have an example.

 

[clara17]

Right so nowhere near the number of deaths caused by religion. Thanks

How many were caused by "religion"

 

[Revoltingest]

Zionism, in the words of its own creators/founders has nothing to do with religion, and its leaders are not religious. It was a political strategy for strategic control of the region.

As far as Christianity being hypocritical, I dont understand, maybe you have an example.

A country for Jews, enforced by Christians?
Nah. It's all about religion.

 

[clara17]

A country for Jews, enforced by Christians?
Nah. It's all about religion.

A country for Jews, enforced by Christians?
Nah. It's all about religion.

InTheBible.Life –

inthebible.life

 

[Madsaac]

We are on an international forum, so there really is no we for only the Abrahamic tradition.
But yes, the majority is Western, but that doesn't make it normal in an normative sense.
And you do have to include philosophical and political ideologies, when you try to make sense of a Western society.

And yes, it always is a part of critical thinking to note ones own cognitive assumptions. And try to look beyound those, if you want to play critical thinking.

Mate, every response is full of generalisations and it's up to you to interpret them.

And sometimes you do and sometime you don't need to include philosophical and political ideologies to make a point/ sense of Western society.

Finally, there's more to critical thinking then 'fluffing' around with philosophical 'speak. Get to the point, man! And talk the commons person's language.

 

[Tomef]

If you actually know anything about history, Historical Proof that the Bible is the Truth – ReadTheHistory.com
you realize all of it perfectly matches with the Bible.

If you think that site offers you some insight into anything remotely accurate about anything but human stupidity, perhaps you need to rethink your life.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The question I ask today is Is religion necessary for social order?.

I invite everyone of all faiths (or lack of faith) to participate in this thread. I do ask that we go with the hypothetical assumption that there is no God(s) or anything of metaphysical nature, like the atheists believe. The reason I ask we go with the atheist POV for this thread is that it will help us better analyze the title question .

Since the dawn of Civilization, there has been religion.

For a moment, suppose there is no God. Would it be preferable (or at the very least non-consequential) then, if society as a whole eventually moved away from the God belief? Or does religion play an essential role in social order, regardless of the lack of God?

I am not sure my opinion on the matter. I will say that there are many individuals who may never be able to accept that there might be no consciousness after death. Religion seems to play an important role in stemming an individual's fear of death. Perhaps if scientist were to somehow prove that the unfalsifiable concept of God was false, I believe a mass existential crisis across society could occur.

I made this thread to get your perspectives!

I don't think we can say is ALWAYS necessary, since we know of one culture that had no religion, the Pirahã tribe of South America. But that is literally the only known case.

So you have to ask yourself, why is it that religion is so universal? My favorite evolutionary biologist, David Sloan Wilson, says that the inclination to religion evolved because it is such a significant factor in cooperative groups.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If you actually know anything about history, Historical Proof that the Bible is the Truth – ReadTheHistory.com
you realize all of it perfectly matches with the Bible.

Whenever you have a site with such an obvious agenda, you can assume it is not giving you accurate history.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Mate, every response is full of generalisations and it's up to you to interpret them.

And sometimes you do and sometime you don't need to include philosophical and political ideologies to make a point/ sense of Western society.

Finally, there's more to critical thinking then 'fluffing' around with philosophical 'speak. Get to the point, man! And talk the commons person's language.

Okay, there is no single overall type of good life. And because of in effect diffrent kinds of understanding of what a good life is, there is no overall we for the good life.
We can go deeper into that, if you like.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Any discriminating laws are a good example, whether they are against race, gender or sexuality.

I don't understand that.